Pro Life vs. Pro Choice

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by debatewithme, Dec 23, 2012.

  1. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    In your opinion
     
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    I gave a link showing it is a scientific belief
     
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    That does not change the fact that abortion is a mother killing her child
     
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    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Would you care to provide the Scientific evidence to support the claim that a deity exists? The world has been waiting a long time now for such incredible evidence, if you have it your name will go down in history forever as the one who discovered the Scientific proof of a deity.
     
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    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    She is not killing a child, but is ending her pregnancy. The fetus will die from the abortion because it cannot sustain life outside the womb on it's own. An unfortunate side effect of the procedure but she has a right to protect and preserve her own health and life first and foremost.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    And where is your proof that JC was the product of immaculate conception and not just Mary covering her arse after a fling .. oh I forgot the bible says so ..

    How about this from a Catholic site stating that the immaculate conception is NOT about Jesus at all

    http://www.catholic.com/tracts/immaculate-conception-and-assumption
    or this one - http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/marya2.htm

    also Hindu religion stating that children via god is nothing new

    http://rivr.sulekha.com/the-immaculate-conception_99700_blog

    Now in reality none of this is proof, but neither is your bible.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    In your opinion it doesn't matter.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Before you were re-born, after your own abortion, did you have these feelings of abortion being wrong .. if so why did you have one, or did this idea of it being"wrong" only start after your "found Jesus" again .. if so then you are religiously motivated and trying to force your religious doctrine onto other people. If not then you are a hypocrite.
     
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    Look around it is every where. Even doctors can't explain why some recover when they should die

    http://www.is-there-a-god.info/life/tenhealings.shtml

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/modern-day-miracles-51263/

    http://www.wcdn.org/wcdn_eng/Testimony/divine_testimonies_e.asp

    http://www.mswm.org/healing.doctoranswers.htm
     
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    She is killing her child. Chances are with no abortion she will have a child so the abortion killed the child
     
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    Yeah okay more stories I get it
     
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    In your opinion a child does not matter just kill it
     
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    Again; She is not killing a child, but is ending her pregnancy. The fetus will die from the abortion because it cannot sustain life outside the womb on it's own. An unfortunate side effect of the procedure but she has a right to protect and preserve her own health and life first and foremost.
     
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    Just because we cannot explain something does not mean God did it. People have been saying 'God did it' for thousands of years and those who are actually interested in how and why the world is the way it is have studied it, tested their theories and proven that things such as widespread illness or natural disasters and many other things are in fact not because 'God did it'. I always find that answer to be so hindering to progress. "Oh we can't explain it so why bother? Just say God did it!" Ridiculous.
     
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    And just because we can doesn't mean He didn't. ;)
     
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    Childhood begins at birth so this is an illogical statement.
     
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    Excluding the fact that a child doesn't exist until birth if we address this from a "natural" perspective where medical science is removed as a factor then we have historical data from the 19th Century where 40% of all pregnancies resulted in the death of the woman. The chance then are fairly good that the pregnancy is likely to end with the fetus killing the woman and itself without an abortion based upon natural causes.

    Pregnancy is very dangerous from a natural perspective but many seem to ignore this simple fact.
     
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    If you're going to look at this objectively, it does. We have no evidence of God, so basing actions and policies on a completely unsubstantiated idea is folly. If that's what we're going to do, why have evidence at all? Why have any standards? Why bother being objective when someone can come along and say "God did it", and that carries as much weight as a scientifically hashed out theory? It's preposterous, and dangerous.

    Tell me, why should we operate under the assumption that the Christian God does exist but not Thor or Zeus or other Gods? If we can say "God did it" and that's enough for you, why can't we do things because Scientology said it's true? They believe in aliens, another completely unsubstantiated idea, but religious folks mock them for their ignorance. It makes no sense, because the origins of both religions rely entirely on believing in something you absolutely have no objective evidence for.
     
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    What so now you are disputing items taken from religious sites .. obviously it doesn't adhere to your own religion then and MUST be wrong.
    Your not really interested in debating are you? All you want is to push your own warped sense of right and wrong.
     
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    Children matter a great deal to me, but that isn't what this debate is about .. they are not children.
     
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    No she is killing her child. No abortion a baby is born, Abortion no baby. This means abortion is a mother killing her child.
     
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    Science says they should have died so God is the way to explain the unexplainable
     
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    No, Human life begins at conception
     
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    This is not the 19th century. Abortion is the mother killing her child
     

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