Pro Life vs. Pro Choice

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by debatewithme, Dec 23, 2012.

  1. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Yes it is
    http://www.cogforlife.org/abortionquitters.htm

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    Your lies show how cold your heart is

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    Yes they do. Without the abortion the mother would give birth to her child
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Shows you know nothing of the emotional trauma of abortion.

    http://www.echristiancounseling.org/Dealing With Aftereffects Of Abortion.htm

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    What about moral values instead of legal
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Yet I have shown women struggle after having an abortion

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    That is your opinion and I say it is false
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    In your opinion yet many women struggle after an abortion and must seek counseling.

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    Wrong. Until the sperm and egg conceive there will be no human
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    You show you know nothing about the Bible

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    What cold heartless way of looking at babies
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Don't I, perhaps you would like to enlighten me then and show me where in the bible it says anything about abortion?

    If they were babies it would be, they aren't so it isn't
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    amazing you quote a overtly religious site and call it proof ,, laughable

    What exactly are moral values, are your any better than someone elses, do you consider yourself morally superior? by what standard do you judge your morals?
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many women DON'T struggle, they simply feel relief. Many women who don't have abortions struggle and must seek counseling.



    Wrong. The sperm and egg ARE human (adjective).
     
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    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WhatNow!? New Member

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    Heck , that's nothing compared to the struggle women have raising too many kids while holding down a full time job and everything involved with all that.
     
  12. debatewithme

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    While moral values should be part of everyones decision they should still have the choice to do wrong. I personally don't like abortion but, I believe that everyone should have the choice. I feel that taking away that choice is downright wrong, but I do agree with you that the decision should be made according to everyones individual values.
     
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    debatewithme New Member

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    Oh I agree that women struggle after an abortion. The emotional trauma is huge, I couldn't agree with you more. But it still stands that women should have that choice.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Statistically false as up to 40% of all "pregnancies" result in a miscarriage usually within the first week and the woman isn't even aware of the fact she was pregnant.

    http://www.hopexchange.com/Statistics.htm
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Every woman that has had an abortion regrets ever being forced to make that decision but the vast majority of those that have an abortion believe it was the right thing to do and would do it again under the same circumstances. This is a documented fact.
     
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    Thats really interesting. I never knew that. Could you give me the site of where its documented? (Not sarcasm I'm honestly interested)
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's one:
    http://women.webmd.com/news/20000822/study-says-most-women-dont-regret-abortion

    "Most women were satisfied with their decision, believed they had benefited more than had been harmed by their abortion, and would have the abortion again," writes study author Brenda Major, PhD. "These findings refute claims that women typically regret an abortion." Major is a professor of psychology at the University of California in Santa Barbara......

    Nearly 70% of women reported being satisfied with the decision, and 72% reported more benefit than harm. Of those who reported depression or regret after the abortion, most were depressed or had emotional problems prior to becoming pregnant.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    A quick search did not reveal the actual study I obtained this information from but it was easy to find two links that indicate it.

    First of all 87% of all women that have an abortion are highly confident that it is the correct decision for them.

    http://www.blisstree.com/2012/05/09...-get-abortions-confident-in-their-choice-185/

    Next is a link to a study where it was found that "Contrary to popular belief, women who have abortions may experience little or no long-term psychological trauma." In short most women have no regrets based upon psychological trauma realted to the abortion (believing they made the right choice).

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199707/the-effects-abortion

    I'll keep looking for the specific study that provided that something similiar to the 87% that believe abortion was the correct decision prior to having an abortion still maintained this same belief after the abortion. There are, of course, some that later come to believe that their decision was wrong but they are a very small percentage of the overall abortion statistics.

    As also noted those that do have psychological trauma after an abortion generally had psychological problems before having the abortion in the first place. It appears that generally the psychological problems exist for these individuals regardless of whether they had an abortion or not and that the abortion is not the cause of the trauma but instead a symptom of a much deeper psychological cause for the trauma.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    That was the link I was looking for. Thanks.

    It can also be noted that the earlier the abortion the less negative possible impact on the woman. For example a Plan B "abortion" which prevents the actual pregnancy from occuring (in the first four days the zygote is not attached and most "die" naturally and this is where Plan B works) suffer no known adverse pyschological effects. The woman won't even show as being pregnant at this point if tested. Plan B prevents pregnancy by blocking the zygote from attaching to the uterus so the pregnancy never happens.

    This is where I find many "anti-abortionist" arguments to fail when they oppose Plan B because Plan B prevents the pregnancy as opposed to actually aborting an embyo or fetus. The woman isn't techically pregnant at the time. I also find the arguments against birth control to be illogical as birth control prevents abortions from even being a consideration. A person cannot logically oppose abortion and oppose birth control at the same time.
     
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    Thank you, I really appreciate all those links and facts. They are really interesting and just what I needed.
     
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    I agree with you on the fact that pro-lifers completely fail in their agruments of Plan B. Personally I am against abortion (though for the choice) and I feel that Plan B is an effective and safe way to prevent unwanted pregnancy.
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    That is a copout to justify killing babies.

    Here is the Bible

     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    So you can not prove the link false. I got it. I stand on the morals this country was founded on. The liberals have been trying to do away with morals and trying to make this a godless country
     
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    You justify the struggle of women because some women are so heartless they do not care the kill their children?

    The sperm alone is not life. The egg alone is not life
     
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    The Quotes are from experts

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    You justify it because women have to many kids because they do not use protection? Nice try but using protection and birth control would stop much of this
     

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