WHERE does it say kill them before they're born? HOW did they know in advance of the birth if it was male or female?? Answer (because you can't answer): They couldn't know until the kid was born....or do you contend they had ultrasounds back then???
Try reading what was said. On the birthstool is post-birth and not pre-birth and once born then a child exists as a person and it would be murder under the laws of the United States today. Abortions occur prior to birth before the existance of the child, which is a person, and do not affect persons. Murder is based upon the violation of the inalienable Right to Life of the Person and personhood is not established until birth. As also noted the laws of the United States are never to be based upon theocratic teachings or opinions as that would constitute the establishment of religion by our government which violates the First Amendment. The United States is a secular nation and not a sectarian nation based upon the US Constitution and our laws are based upon secular humanism and not sectarian theocratic beliefs.
I see a reduction of abortions as a positive thing, but denying women a choice is not the way to go about it. In my opinion what is needed is more sex education in schools and beyond, focusing on contraception (for health as well as protection from pregnancy). More welfare for single and low income mothers is also necessary, thus improving the quality of life for the children who are born into poverty. This type of support might encourage women worried about the financial drain of a child to go ahead with the pregnancy. Unfortunately a lot of the people who are pro-life also appear to be anti-birth control and anti-universal health care. Not all, I know, but many. I think the issue should also be removed from any ideas of morality about sexual activity in women, which seems to constantly come up. As for the rights of men disagree with their partners' decision to have abortions, I feel for anyone in that situation, I really do. However I think women need to make decisions about their own bodies, and in practical terms it is generally a woman who is the primary care giver of a child, especially in the early years. In most cases even after the pregnancy the life of a woman in a relationship would be changed much more radically than that of the man. I find the bible argument irrelevant. In fact I find the Old Testament in general quite irrelevant. You could use it to support taking away women's rights and the mass killing of men, women and children as well as a whole lot of other nasties.
The midwives said they could not kill them because they came out to fast. - - - Updated - - - More BS to deny the fact that abortion is a mother killing her child
What reduction? Planned Parenthood is breaking records http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-record-planned-parenthood-performed-333964-abortions-in-2011.html
Because there are fewer abortion providers. The latest statistics show a 5% drop in the rate of abortion. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/21/usa-abortion-rate/1719583/
anf you believe Fox news!!!!! I notice you can't follow your own comment on the bible item .. since you have been proven wrong on it, how about a withdrawl or apology.
Its the BS you posted .. defend it, don't go all huffy just because you are wrong ... (*)(*)(*)(*) you pro-lifers don't like being shown to be wrong do you? would have thought you all would have got used to it by now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood The murder of a child is prohibited under US law and does not relate to abortion. Once agian I'll point out that when "anti-abortionists" resort to deception and dishonesty in their arguments then their arguments lose all creditability. As I believe I noted the reference to the "pre-born" being children is an example of this dishonesty in their argument just like the title of this thread is intentionally dishonest because most of those that are "Pro-Choice" are also "Pro-Life" and there isn't an inherent dispute between the two, The title, if it wanted to be accurate, would be "Pro-Choice v Anti-Abortion" because there is an inherent dispute between these to opinions. Dishonesty degrades the arguments of any position.
When you attack the source annd not who they quote you show you have nothing. Just shows there are 2 sides to all stories. I do not believe the government or the liberal press - - - Updated - - - It is you that is taking what the Bible says out of context. It clearly shows the midwives refused to do abortion or murder
Fox news isn't exactly known for acurate reporting. OK, i'll bite, explain to me how the midwifes knew the preborn were either boys or girls, and show me where it says they refused to do abortion.
ouch... but forreal. how can you wish abortion on others while you are already safe from it. pro choicers say how can a man make policy for a woman. well i say how can someone out of the womb condemn those in the womb to death
Might be ouch .. but still true, there is no bigger hypocrite than someone who uses something to aid themselves and then tries to stop others doing the same. I "wish" abortion on no one. If I was asked by a pregnant woman what I thought she should do I would try to go through all the options, not just abortion .. however I wouldn't keep that option out of it. In the end the decision his hers, not mine, not yours, not the state. I don't condemn anyone .. is that so hard to understand. I just believe in the woman making the decision that is all.
The only dishonesty is those that insist on calling it a child .. which thinking about it is really just a bold faced lie
So you can't read? I will put against the liberal media any day - - - Updated - - - It is not a lie. Without abortion it will be the mothers child. You lie when you say it would not be a child.
Yep I can read, though it would seem you can't understand .. perhaps that has something to do with your preconceptions Oh so now you move the goal posts .. orginal you said that it was a child already .. now it is will be a child .. so I didn't lie, you changed what you said .. make your mind up will you
