If that were the case, you'd already have done so. If it were, you'd be able to find substantive fault with it; but of course you can't, because as simple as it is, you don't dare comprehend it. So naturally all you have to offer is mindless naysaying.
I have no need to find a fault with it because it is obvious, but just for you. In order for you to state that there is a freedom from conscience you will first have to establish the fact that you know the conscience of the people you are talking about, which you cannot do, you may have your own opinion but that is based around what your freedom of conscience tells you, so from the first your "simple" idea breaks down .. however freedom of conscience is very different as this is a purely personal item that we all deal with on a personal level. You can state that on a personal level you are free from conscience, but you cannot attribute that to anyone else.
i dont buy it... obviously its a play on words. it also says they "used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant." that doesnt mean they used it the direct time they became pregnant. just during the month. obviously its a play on words and is meaningless
It doesn't mean they didn't. Every woman obviously knows using the pill occasionally during the month will not be effective. Using a condom as protection only once during the month should be 98% effective if she only had sex once that month. It isn't meaningless; it means they were using contraception when they conceived, regardless of how you twist it.
Well, seeing as that wasn't a fact at all and it was just your opinion not particularly. Though I do like hearing how others feel about what I have to say. I'm not bashing on pro lifers I am just asking for facts to be presented. I started this thread because I was curious about what the world had to say on such a topic so I am interested in everything you guys post and I read all of it.
How about this everyone, I have one more questions for you all, I know this thread is getting long but hang in there with me. When should abortion be allowed? (if at all) AND If you disagree with abortion what do you think should be done? (In otherwords how would you have laws changed, what would you have them changed to, etc.)
Which of course I do, because everyone's conscience is the same. You think otherwise because you don't understand what conscience is. On the contrary, that's exactly what it is. Spare me all the kumbaya crap, if you don't mind, and tell me exactly what's wrong with what I said, if you dare.
There is nothing wrong with what you said. Thats what I'm trying to say. But you asked me if I liked the fact which was presented on #46, and seeing as there was no facts presented at all my answer was no. Your answer was strictly opinion based. Please, if you have actual proof as to where you got SCIENTIFIC evidence of what you said feel free to share it. I would honestly LOVE to hear it.
Then clearly there is something wrong with what YOU said, since your acceptance of my rejoinder indicates that you see freedom as inimical to conscience, which would put you at enmity with humanity. And is that a fact, or just your opinion? There is no need, since it is self-evidently true, wherefore you have immediate access to the evidence any time you want it; and if you try to debate me on this you'll eventually find that out, though it will not necessarily be a pleasant experience. I don't know who in Hell do you think you're kidding.
no it doesnt. it means they used a contraceptive method during the month.... that doesnt mean that they used it the specific day they got pregnant. also there is no facts behind any of this. i could say i used contraception to an interviewer when i didn't... i could say i didnt use contraception when i did.... its all meaningless no facts at all. no matter how you twist it
it doesnt matter. just because a woman used contraception once or a few times during the month doesnt mean anything. also this evidence isnt backed up, the woman could say anything to the interviewer. so its all meaningless
That's what I said. It doesn't mean they didn't, which was your claim. It is supported by numerous studies.
This means a woman kills her child. A miscarriage is not a mother killing her child Human life begins at conception http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
So are you in favor of investigating every miscarriage or lost pregnancy to make sure there wasn't any foul play that violated the rights of that human life, or does your devotion to the fetus stop at outlawing abortion? Seems convenient. Lifers never want to take their silliness full speed, they always seem content to stop with abridging women's rights. That seems to be enough to pat themselves on the back and give themselves a big old "job well done".
Exactly! I agree with you completely. I find abortion wrong personally, BUT I feel that taking the choice of abortion away is even worse. Taking that choice away would mean taking womens rights away.
A woman does not have or should not have the right to kill her child. A miscarriage is not an issue since the woman usually has to go to the doctor afterwards to make sure everything cam out to prevent infection
So you think a woman has the right to kill her child? Let's extend that right to say 6 months after they are born because she may decide she no longer wants it.
Just because an a tree starts with an acorn does not necessarily mean every acorn will go on to become a oak tree About 50-70% of all fertilised eggs never implant/develop. In fact there is a significant body of science stating that pregnancy starts with implantation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginning_of_pregnancy_controversy
Some champion of life you are. As long as women can't choose, that's enough for you. So this is more about the woman than the child for you afterall. You're more concerned that the woman didn't do something you don't like than you are with the child, who now has rights according to you(and I was under the impression that the police investigate deaths, even accidental ones, of a person when they die). No need for that here though, just make sure the woman loses all control of her womb so you sleep better at night. I realize I'm being ridiculous, but that's the point. That's the door you open up by giving rights to fetuses. But then, you don't want to give "rights" at all, you just want to take them away from the woman. You're content with just telling a woman that her womb belongs to the state for nine months. Sort of an eminent domain law just for females. You want to pick and choose what has rights, and what rights they have. Gosh, I thought it was only the evil pro-choicers who do that.
