"Pro-lifers" want to ban abortion....fine...

The current congress, senate, and president seem to think so...

Well if FrankenFeinstein gets her way it will be. But I suspect that the "shall not be infringed" part will require some very creative wording to get around. "Well regulated" is something they will surely use as well I suspect.

 

Gemini, I'm using YOUR view of the Constitution. If rights have to be specifically spelled out....then according to the 2nd Amendment....there IS a right to "bear arms"...

but NOT one to buy, sell, or manufacture them....right? No right to abortion...no right to make a gun.

 

Many of the founders didn't think it was important. Who knows what the world or the USA would have been like without it?

 

Oh I get what you're saying, and I even agree on a morbid level. I'm just asking people to not get crazy calling things 'rights' when they are clearly privileges, like manufacturing a gun.

 

Might have ended up like Australia - and that would have been TERRIBLE..........

 

It's not that you necessarily want to kill children. It's simply that you don't really care if you do. The same way you didn't really care that you owned people during slavery. It's just not a big deal to you.

 

Apart from the fact that I have never killed anyone, including a fetus, slavery has nothing to do with it and I find your comparrison strange as your side are the ones who keep going on about big government involvement with the individual and yet you want to get a law passed that will involve more government involvement with the individual .. and that is no big deal to you.

 

Fine, but take my argument to your nearest NRA member and tell them selling or manufacturing a gun is a "privilege not a right"....and see what they say.

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Unifier.....get on with it. Seriously.

Tired of your yammer and big TALK ....let's see you guys on the Right step up to the plate and actually try to BAN abortion.

Otherwise, you're just getting boring and showing yourselves as paper tigers.

 

Stop being dense. If it were that easy, we would have done it already. Let's not forget that the last time the country was this divided on such a serious issue of personhood, it was during slavery. And that took a full scale civil war to settle.

 

The country is not divided. Most Americans believe abortion should be legal...even if they personally wouldn't get one. Intelligent people believe it's still the right thing to do especially since banning abortions wouldn't end them ....it would ONLY punish women...which is the ONLY goal of the Anti-Choicers.

 

Punish them for what? The motive is protecting the unborn. That is what they explicitly say. Don't you believe them?

 

Nope! The Anti-Choicers have shown repeatedly that punishing women for having sex is their prime goal.

One example are those Anti-Choicers who believe abortion is OK in the case of rape or incest.

But also their rhetoric always vilifies women for "spreading their legs" ( their vulgar way of saying "have sex").
Then ,there's their hatred for poor children and their thinking that welfare, Medicaid, Head Start, etc. should be cut...
THEN, there's the FACT that banning abortion will only harm women...I read a post by an Anti-choicer who said if a woman died while getting an illegal abortion , she DESERVED to die.
And, like I said originally, if you follow their posts it always comes down to jealousy and hatred of women who dare to have sex.

 

Me thinks not. I have better things to do with my life...like pick my toe jam. The only thing worse then the liberals are the hard core republicans. At least liberals are open with their designs of evil, republicans pretend they are being good about it, they just do evil on the sly.

 

Source please. Show me the prime directive for the pro-life movement.

It is remarkable how determined you are...
Sexual promiscuity is not a testament of character strength, but quite the opposite, for both the sexes.
Yes, social services should be drastically cut across the board, but not for the reasons you state - it has nothing to do with hatred of the poor. It actually helps them.

"she DESERVED to die..." You would lump all pro-lifers with this nut job? Backward thinking at best. This is the ranting of an individual. If I took everything you say as representative of the left wing that could not hardly be considered fair. It isn't contempt for women, no matter how much you want it to be. This victim train of thought will get you nowhere fast.

 

Yay, the pretty colors are back! And in the proper format as well. You've out done yourself. Give yourself a gold star...

Without sexual promiscuity, we'd not have the bulk of abortions. And I addressed both men and women, stop lensing on only women for a moment, I know it is hard, but try. The world doesn't revolve around the vagina. Nor the penis. But at the end of the day, I kinda hope you get a good and proper teaching of gender roles some time in your life. It would do you good.

Gotta break eggs to make an omelet. It gets worse before it gets better. Which is why I have adopted the idea of sterilization on those who get elective abortions. But what we got going on right now is not doing anybody any favors. Killing children, and sending the taxpayer the bill just doesn't sit right.

Frankly I'm surprised you even care about children at all. Or are at least pretending to do so anyways.

Clarify your last statement.

 

"""Killing children, and sending the taxpayer the bill just doesn't sit right.""""


Such extreme and completly untrue statements negate anything else you have to say.... I have seen no proof anywhere of people killing children or sending anyone the bill.......


Another hilarious statement: "stop lensing on only women for a moment"....

so how many men get abortions....???

 

Hyde amendment. Look it up.

Red herring. I will not chase avians with crimson plumage.

You didn't clarify the last statement of your last post.

 

Where does the Hyde Amendment mention the killing of children?

 

Does it not mention funding abortion for cases of rape and incest? Or in which the life of the mother is in danger? I view these lives as children, others may call them a mere fetus, zygote, embryo or whatever. But that is my view, and the view of many others I suspect, but I cannot speak for them.

 

That may be so but the Hyde Amendment never explicitly states anything about the killing of children. That is only your opinion.

 

You keep mentioning "red herrings" (as an excuse not to answer questions or address statements) ....

but what do red herrings have to do with your "avian with crimson plumage" ? What ARE you talking about???

 

Don't trouble yourself. Those with an slightly higher grasp of the English language will understand and appreciate it.

But I did want you to clarify this for me-

 

A higher grasp of English?....well a herring is a fish and doesn't have plumage......avian refers to birds...."avian with crimson plumage" ...do you mean a cardinal? And what has a cardinal to do with you using it all as an excuse not to address those "awkward" questions?

You claimed you wanted to educate me....so answer the questions...

 

A red herring in debate is defined as

For example, every time a pro-lifer compares abortion to slavery they are making a fallacy known as a red herring.