"Pro-lifers" want to ban abortion....fine...

Get on with it. We're waiting. And 40 years after Roe...we're getting a little BORED with your preaching and rallies and your op-eds in Rightwing media and your blog postings and all your TALK.


Do it. As the Good Captain said "We grow tired of your foolishness."

 

They can't it is and always will be doomed to failure.

 

"Put up or shut up" seems appropos.

 

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Oh well you know the problem is that the liberals have infected everything, can't trust the government (even a Republican one) they lie, cheat and twist everything because the LOVE abortion, it GETS THEM OFF .. THEY WANT TO KILL CHILDREN

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Well, they're fun to poke a stick at through the cages (on blogs).....but for all their howling and yelling and flinging poo.....they can't seem to create a Planet of the Apes, can they?

 

On other forums I've actually had some very interesting debates with pro-lifers - though they are the more grounded, sensible ones who are more about reducing abortion through contraception research and reducing the viability time scale .. but there again they were mainly UK based pro-lifers, seems to be a different breed from the US ones.

 

You couldnt debate a frog. LMAO Maybe it was a Sesame Street site with wittle kids. LMAO No way in heck would anyone who valued life stomach the position you defend. No way. Lies. Maybe the UK pro-lifers are hypocrites....like some on the pro-aborts are on this forum.

 

Yes....we don't champion Nazism like your position does...a position so devoid of value and character and of what makes life livable. The pro-abort worldview is devoid of goodness...period, it is dark and evil.

The fact is...the pro-abort position is like a vampire that sees light....it can't take purity on any level...it can't stand light period...it feeds on death...just as the vampire craves blood....the pro-abort position craves child sacrifice...thats why it wears abortion like a badge of honor.

And the sad thing for the worldview.....the opposite worldview won't go away....it will always be there...a giant lit up flashing neon light....can't run from it...its not going anywhere.

 

You believe in state control of women's reproduction, just as the Nazis did.

 

...is this a bait thread?

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What other forums? What kind of arguments to they put forth? Because I have seen what this one is capable of much to my dismay.

 

I love it! .....it should really convince anyone that Anti-Choicers aren't extremists ....LOL!

 

I don't think the MODS or owner of this forum would be best pleased if I posted links to other forums, or even posted their names .. suffice to say that they are there if you decide to look for them.

what I have found is that the majority of the USA forums that have abortion debates tend to be a lot like this one, where as the UK ones tend to be more civilized - that is not to say that some are exactly like this one - where you can have a debate and end up agreeing to disagree on any subject without that horrible taste left in your mouth of it becoming a crap throwing contest.

The kind of arguments put forward are pretty much the same here, however they are put forward without the constant denial of the opposing position and evidence, they spend their time finding other evidence to refute it, and not just from religious or biased pro-life places.
The one thing I have noticed about other pro-lifers is that while they will always fight for the unborn they also do have an understanding of why abortion is required at the moment, most of the ones I have debated with are more involved with fighting for funds to better contraception, make adoption a less traumatic experience and getting a balanced sex education in schools. They are also fighting for the reduction in the viability timescale, they know that an all out ban is something they can not achieve at this point in time, though they continue to campaign for it .. I find it pretty incredible that I have a lot more in common with the UK pro-lifers than I do with their USA cousins.

 

Seems to me that they finally figured out that the only way to win is by slow increments. Good on them.

 

You could be right, but until medical knowledge catches up with the "plan" a total ban on abortion will never happen .. I also suspect that the UK pro-lifers are not so religiously led like a lot of the USA pro-lifers.

 

Total ban is nonsense even from my perspective. It simply will not work. Perhaps the religious aspect has something to do with it, perhaps not.

 

But it's still wise to keep your eye on those misogynist control freak Republican legislators who, with sneaky little laws here and there, are creeping(slithering) towards making abortion more and more difficult for low income women...they need slaves and cannon fodder....

 

Oh I do .. however my stance on late term abortions is clear, the limit for elective abortions should be set at the earliest level a fetus has been born and survived .. currently 21 weeks & 5 days.

I suppose in the UK we are lucky as the NHS (National Health Service) provides abortions and no government would ever even think of changing that service - though the NHS does seem to becoming a more "private" service, in the US it would seem that the public funding of abortions is under attack all the time which is so very sad as the only people it will effect are those who require the service the most. I find it pretty shocking that the pro-lifers can't seem to get it into their heads that banning abortion would almost certainly lead to higher taxes in order to support the poor and the extra children going into care .. unless of course they want to see more ghetto's and crime in the country.
I do understand the pro-life stance of wanting to protect the unborn, however very few of them have even thought about the consequences of what they want.
I see the US as the UK was around a few hundred years ago, still trying to hold onto an outdated religiously based system that never really worked that well, I only hope those with more forward thinking ideas can win out in the end.

 

I strongly disagree with this as some women have not found out they were pregnant until around this time, not to mention many of the laws on abortion we have in the US are solely put in place to delay a woman from having an abortion and force her into the time frame when it becomes illegal. Not to mention a woman seeking a legitimate life saving abortion is forced to jump through hoops in the third trimester.

She still owns her body and no human, born or not has a right to use her body against her will.

 

"...bla bla bla...misogynist...bla bla bla...control women...bla bla...low income...bla bla bla hate women...bla...right wing extremists....bla bla...its better for the child...bla bla bla...women can hate women too...bla bla bla...men are evil..bla bla......bla."

That's what I got out of the post.

 

These sorts of women are devoid of common sense. How does a woman not know that she is not having her period for that long?

I guess that depends on the mood of the collective at the time being says.

 

You've never heard of women with irregular periods? Never heard of a woman who bled during her pregnancy and thought it was her period?

http://www.babycenter.com/404_can-you-get-your-period-while-youre-pregnant_7102.bc

http://women.webmd.com/tc/missed-or-irregular-periods-topic-overview

 

While I understand your stance, this you must realise is my own personal opinion, one that I have never, nor will ever, try to force upon others .. the law stands as it is and I accept that far better minds than mine have come together to establish this law. We don't have the same problems in the UK as the US do when it comes to early term abortions, the requirements are as follows;

this is the basics of the 1967 Abortion Act

 

I'm married to one. And she takes pregnancy tests like a responsible female. We've never found out at 20+ weeks. Never later than 6 actually if memory serves.

If a woman doesn't know if she is pregnant for nearly 5 months I would say she is a complete moron, especially if she is sexually active.

 

Sounds like a good place to move to, one where people are actually more reasonable and aren't blinded by their religious convictions.

One question though, on this part of the 1967 Abortion Act

Does that mean a woman must get two doctors to agree before she can obtain an abortion in the first trimester as well or is it only after 21-24 weeks?

 

Well I hope you do not ignorantly assume that every woman is as responsible as your wife or that they are as perfect as her.

That's really just your opinion but you'd be surprised how many women do not find out until late in the pregnancy. Some women have even only realized they were pregnant when they went into labor.