Pro-Palestinian crowds try to storm air base housing U.S. troops in Turkey

I did not? What is your source?

 

You know this how? Even our beloved president Biden says we can’t trust casualty reports about the matter.

 

Might have something to do with common sense.

 

Would you prefer that terrorists organizations such as Hamas carry on as they would and unchecked to massacre peoples they don’t like?

 

So a terrorist group, Hamas should get a pass? The blood is on Hamas for building tunnels under civilian areas. Tell us where your outrage for that is?

 

Flat earthers say they also got common sense. So far, no source to say how it is.

 

Lol

 

You're a terrorist organization when you do not make any kind of distinction between civilians and soldiers.
And this idea doesn't only apply to Arabs.

 

You’re a State or a Nation when you respond to an unprovoked attack on your own soil.

 

The colonization of Palestine is unprovoked, and Hamas is it's response.
While it still stands that you're a terrorist organization when you do not make any kind of distinction between civilians and soldiers.

 

Israel has made that distinction by telling Palestine citizens to get out of the way…..

 

Israel told over 1 million people, including the hospitals full with patients to go to a place where there is no food, no water, no electricity and no shelter, no medical aid,... and subsequently that's beyond any kind of being reasonable. About anybody who knows what's going on, knows this. While the Jewish state bombed all of Gaza and not just the north, and so they told people to go south where it wasn't safe. So you're tossing in really desperate arguments that don't fly in multiple ways. And so no, that's not making sure there can be some kind of distinction between civilians and soldiers/combatants. That's totally besides the point.

Point also stands: The colonization of Palestine is unprovoked, and Hamas is it's response.

And I can add a point that Israel's plan to get everybody to go south is or at least was part of their bigger plan to ethnically cleanse millions of civilians out of Gaza and dump them into Egypt. Israel admitted they got or at least had this plan.

 

Most of your posts here are argumentative regarding the semantics of war. That’s obvious enough. What I seriously don’t get is that you apparently believe Hamas and their actions are acceptable.

 

you’re right, it’s probably higher by now.

 

I never said it is acceptable what Hamas did. I commented on how what Israel does is unacceptable.... which is not making any kind of distinction between civilians and combatants, and slaughtering around. And you find this rather acceptable that the Jewish state makes war crimes. And depriving millions from food, water, electricity and medical aid is an easy way to show that this is. That's besides that Israel basically is carpet bombing Gaza with all it's people in it.

Point also still stands: The colonization of Palestine is unprovoked, and Hamas is it's response.
I add: colonizing is a war crime.

 

Hopefully I won't have to point out these obvious facts again:

1. partisan forces resisting an occupying force normally don't even distinguish themselves the way Hamas does. They wage their resistance from their homes and neighborhoods. Hamas fighters wear uniforms and Hamas built its tunnels underground because it knew from experience that the Israelis have no reservation levelling entire neighborhoods to kill some of fighters. I suppose they didn't quite imagine Israel bombing refugee camp, hospitals, apartment building using the excuse that there were tunnels underneath those structures! How many of the buildings Israel has struck have even damaged much less collapse these tunnels? Based on the lack of any discernable degradation in Hamas' fighting capability, I would say almost none! If Israel has damaged some underground tunnel network, it isn't by bombing these over-ground structures,
2. Gaza is a densely populated place. Where is Hamas supposed to build its tunnels and be far from civilians?
3. Israel is following a deliberate policy in bombing Gaza city as a form of retribution and to reclaim its lost deterrence, including as a message to the Lebanese whose country Israel has threatened to turn into rubble in case Hezbollah attacks Israel.
4. if you are so callous to not be bothered by all the women and children Israel is killing on an ongoing basis, using bombs and military equipment provided to it by your own government, then at least have the decency not to foam irritating nonsense and propaganda. Man up to it and defend the practice the way some justify the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the fire bombings of Dresden and Tokyo. Because that is the model the Israelis are using in this campaign. The other excuses and pretenses are for fools.

 

I do get your point and it certainly sucks (understatement of the year) that it has come to this.

 

I’ve not said once they deserve a pass. And I’ve expressed repeatedly my outrage at what Hamas has done and what the IDF has done. Not killing civilians is nowhere near the same as giving Hamas a pass. A solution for getting rid of Hamas completely may take years if done in a way that does not kill civilians, but if less civilians are killed, it is absolutely worth it.

where is your outrage at what the IDF has done to innocent civilians? Or in your twisted view of justice, do their lives mean nothing?

 

Indeed. Israel is a fascist state run by terrorists.
They colonize Palestine, unprovoked, by the barrels of their gun. Hamas is the response of that provocation.
And in return the Jewish state slaughters Arab civilians at such a rate that they massacred more in these few weeks then them "orcs" in Ukraine did in 1,5 years.

The only countries that back up Israel on this, are countries who relentlessly colonized the world for centuries and an ex-apartheid state who got 600,000 of its Jews living in that Jewish homeland with still that Jim Crow mentality.



So enter the Turkish civilians attacking a US military base who aids that Jewish state making them war crimes, for the sake to aid their citizens commit war crimes.

 

To be clear: I support Israel as having the right of counter attack as they have not directly instigated the latest confrontation.

Don’t bother trying to change my mind about that, and I’ll accept that we will never see eye to eye about it.

 

Pity, the lives you could have spared if you just kneeled and sucked whatever Bin Laden gave you to suck......

 

Hamas numbers

 

All part of Hamas' "clever" plan

 

20 years of conflict with absolutely nothing to show for it but dead bodies and massive increase of debt. Not even remotely worth it. And now, because of how badly we managed our dumb wars, we can't even get close to meeting recruitment goals. Our youth take one look at how we prolonged war, getting soldiers killed for no reason, and then the neglect the soldiers get afterwards for their needs, and they say, "nope, **** that. Your wars are ****ing stupid."

 

Its impossible to weight and value something that didn't happen, you ASSUME that if you didn't go to that war things would have been much better, based on what ? what if all your enemies got inspired by 9/11 and in every city across the US fanatics would start killing non-muslims ? your whole society could be at risk, maybe other countries would take a bite at you - its impossible to evaluate. criticism is good for personal development but have some modesty.....