Pro-Russian thread

Why,and for the last too!Where have you got such figure:"70 rubles"?Are you a hidden communist like your idol KGB officer and mass murderer Putin?Everyone know that people in the USSR didn't get any grub at all.

 

We have a lot of secrets that everyone else wants. When you lead everyone else, it makes you a target for theft.

 

Tell your fairy tales about average salary 70 roubles per a month to your grandsons which will be born some day or to products of American propaganda but not to me. I was born in 1965 and I remember very well how much money my parents earned at that time. 70 roubles were the official minimal salary allowed by the law at 80s.
http://opoccuu.com/wages.htm

 

When the USSR was started it had as the inheritance from Russian empire 40 % of literacy and the poorest population. Liberals have got from the USSR 100 % literacy, the superpower, rather normal standard of living and have destroyed all this. I do not understand what for they have broken all of this and why I'm to wait for 40 years while they will restore everything they have broken. I also have many doubts that those guys who is able to destroy also is able to create. 20 years is quite sufficient time to show own abilities. Do not feed me with legends about bright liberal future. I already have heard many different legends.

 

Do you want to prove to me, that you never steal technologies? Germany developed nuclear weapon too. Do you want to tell me you did not use German technologies? I also have heard that our agents have helped our scientists to develop nuclear weapon. But do not overlook that the USA developed plans of nuclear bombardments of the USSR already at 40s. Operation Dropshot is one of the most known. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dropshot Possession of own bomb is the unique argument which is able to stop your bastards with nuclear weapon. Those spies have stopped WWIII and have saved millions of human lives.

 

Since WW2? I cant think of any.

Not since WW2.

And they were not "stolen"...they were seized from a power we defeated and conquered. We did not use spies.

 

MB "your" VTOL system on F-35? MB "your" idea of stealth-planes? MB "your" airborn laser idea? MB Verner fon Braun is "your" engineer? This is just a warm-up.

 

Source?

Source?

Source?

I could've sworn that was from WW2. But if you have a source saying we got him way after that, then please feel free to post it.

Still feels ice cold so far.

 

Enjoy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockhe...ing_II#JSF_Program_requirements_and_selection

Design

F-35A being towed to its inauguration ceremony on 7 July 2006

F-35B's thrust vectoring nozzle and lift fan

The F-35 appears to be a smaller, slightly more conventional, single-engine sibling of the sleeker, twin-engine F-22 Raptor, and indeed drew elements from it. The exhaust duct design was inspired by the General Dynamics Model 200 design, which was proposed for a 1972 supersonic VTOL fighter requirement for the Sea Control Ship.[55] For specialized development of the F-35B STOVL variant, Lockheed consulted with the Yakovlev Design Bureau, purchasing design data from their development of the Yakovlev Yak-141 "Freestyle".[56][57] Although several experimental designs have been built and tested since the 1960s including the Navy's unsuccessful Rockwell XFV-12, the F-35B is to be the first operational supersonic, STOVL stealth fighter.

"Buying" means "stealing" in those times, you know.

You can find out other stuff by yourself. I am not your slave to do that.

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Um...why?

Enjoy what? You did not post anything proving your claim.

Proving your own claims does not make you a slave. It is not up to the rest of us to dig up evidence to prove your own claims. You are not correct by default.

 

What is the difference between silent larceny and an obvious robbery? In the process of obvious robbery the victim is sometimes killed.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Ufimtsev

 

Oh, you try to insult our honored KGB?

If you answer my post, maybe it would be advisable to read them too?
Who said about AVERAGE salary 70 rubles??
Yes, 70 rubles was official minimal salary and MILLIONS of people got it.

But now I see two things.

1. Since you parents got decent salary you believe that everybody should think that people was prosperous in the SU.
2. The history of the SU begins in 80s for you. But not for everybody. In order you can have a cheap sausage in 80s millions of people were killed in the Civil war, died from hunger in 30s, died in communist concentration camps etc.

Maybe you can tell me an average salary of peasants in 1962? 40 years after founding of the great and prosperous USSR?
All you got in 80s was from oil. Even bread was bought in Canada since communist Kolhozes were not able to work.

 

Ok I'll remind your post.

Many social groups this are cleaners, yard keepers and night guarding. Less than 1 % of the working population. There is a law of the nature - if you want to earn money try to find a good job. School teacher earned 150-160 roubles on a boundary of 70 and 80s, also an ordinary engineer. My father worked as the mechanic at a factory and already in 70s earned more than 200 roubles. My uncle worked as the electrician engineer on the ship and earned 700 roubles per a month. An ordinary sailor on this ship earned 450 roubles.
Do you want to prove to me there are no underpaid trades now? The official minimal salary in modern Russia is 4330 roubles. Compare purchasing capacity of this minimum to purchasing capacity of the Soviet minimum - 70 rubles. Purchasing capacity of the modern average salary in Russia ( about 20 000 rubles) is just coming nearer to purchasing capacity of the average Soviet salary in 70 - 80s. I do not want to recollect the hell (excuse me the liberal paradise) of 90s. Yes the USSR needed reforms, but was it necessity to break the system completely if you are unable to create something better? And do not write me about absolute figures of the salary. Write about purchasing capacity. In 1870 the average salary were 25 roubles but it was possible to buy more than ton of a potato on this salary.
As to communist Kolhozes. At 80s when I left city I saw fields sowed by wheat, sunflower and corn. Now I see fields on which nothing grows. Ask any village guy he will better describe you the situation.

 

Because they were purchased for inadequate Unit Stake.

I post 4 examples of technologies, which were theft by glorious US. Well ... I forgot ... you are an ignorant fanboy, you are not able to get it.

I am sorry, but I am not going to spare my time on proving to you "water is wet" and "sky is blue" sort of things.

 

Oh, you thought up this number right now?

And what? Many communists &#8216;earned&#8217; thousands of rubles a month. What&#8217;s your point?

It is very difficult to understand a text like this: &#8216;less that 1% earned 70 rubles and my uncle earned 700 rubles&#8217;. What percent of population were your uncles? Or you think that 150-160 rubles was great money? As far as I remember a car cost several thousands rubles.

Can you give us some official numbers?
What was an average pension and salary in the SU and what percent of people earned less that 100 rubles, less than 130 rubles etc.? Not your guesses but official numbers.
And I don&#8217;t argue that when communists began to sell oil many people began to live quite rich. Why you didn&#8217;t defend your Soviet Union from liberals then?

Now? When communists (now they are called democrats) are robbing the country without any limits? Are you kidding?

<<<Mod edit: We cannot bypass the profanity filter>>> Are you serious? You saw wheat on the fields? Where is the nearest communist, I want to kiss him.

And I repeat my question.

Can you tell me an average salary of peasants in 1962? 40 years after founding of the great and prosperous USSR?

 

May be you want to prove to me that cleaners, yard keepers and night guarding are 50 % of the population of the USSR? Speaking about modern Russia there it can be truth. In 1968 78,7 % of all working population, worked in industrial sector. Non-productive the sector had 21,3 % including the whole sphere of service.
I do not think up the figures. As against you I know my history. This is you who writes crap here not troubling yourself by proofs.

What thousands of communists? The factory director on which my parents worked earned 1100 roubles a month while the average wages of workers at his enterprise was more than 200 roubles. Qualified grinder earned 420 roubles a month. For example: now the general director of "MRSK Volga" earns 800 thousands roubles while the ordinary clerk in his firm earns just 20 thousands. Feel the difference.
I gave you figures of average salary in Russia since 1853 till 2009. If you would not be so lazy you'd have opened this link. http://opoccuu.com/wages.htm And I repeat again compare not absolute figure but consumer ability of these salaries.

Thanks for the information buddy! You have educated me! I did not know it! But this is already a theme of separate talk why former communists name themselves democrats now.

The figures of the livestock of cattle specially for you. Be not lazy to open the link: http://harding1989.livejournal.com/124517.html

And I repeat it is necessary to compare the consumer ability of salaries.

 

But there was no inflation in the USSR, but there was deflation! Why was not the NATO alliance disbanded after the Warsaw Pact was, bloody US foreign policy yet again!

 

Great. I asked him a question. What was an average salary of peasants in 1962. He answers IN RUSSIAN that in 1971 in the Ordzhenikidze kolhoz a milkmaid got 138 rubles a month : ))))

Now I know, Potap, why &#8216;troll&#8217; is your favorite word&#8230;

 

By the way, it is the main feature of the soviet 'patriots'. They NEVER answer questions they don't like. So it is absolutely senseless to talk to them.

 

Why are you so upset about the answer in Russian?
Had to use the on-line translator to understand it?
Potap is just bored to do your job, if you wanna present the figure - bother to find it personally.

Great!
Your tacticts is to ask a dozen of stupid questions and make others busy with searching data to answer your requests.
Having not presented any precious info or proven statistics yourself you declare the senselessness of talking to those who did it.

Wanna prove something - search the info yourself!

 

Actually it is not difficult to count up the average salary in an agriculture. I gave him the link about average salaries. So at 1962 the average salary was 84,2 roubles or 765 kg of a potato in the prices of that year. As the average salary in an agriculture always 20 - 25 % less, it is easy to count up. It was something about 65 - 67 roubles or in the prices of that year about 600 kg of a potato or about 110 % from the average Russian salary at 1997 (the best year of Yeltsin's paradise ). Or about 3,5 average Russian salaries at 1992 according to consumer ability.
I dont understand - why I'm to make his work and what does he wants to prove me having these figures?

 

I think that it is necessary for understanding what the SU was.
As far as I know peasants in the SU hadn't any salaries or pensions at all till the end of 60-s. At least some of them told me so. Maybe I am wrong?
I know for sure that they hadn't any salaries under Stalin, but when they began to get something?

 

I have a female friend whose childhood fell on 60s. As a child she worked with her mother in the Ukraine. And she told me that they didn't get a copeck only food not to die from hunger.
So my work is to find out WHEN Soviet peasants began to get money. Again, they were not paid under Stalin. I don't see it from your links.

 

To be frank, I know the answer. The thing is that Kolkozniks were paid not in money but a &#8216;share&#8217; of the kolkhoz&#8217;s product during 1930-1966. Sometimes a Kolhoz paid some money too, but sometimes all &#8216;payment&#8217; was in food. That&#8217;s why when I asked about 1962 you answered about the situation in 1971. And that&#8217;s why I think that your link is worthless.
It is senseless to talk about an average salary of peasants in the SU in 1930-1966 as well it is senseless to talk about salaries of slaves. Sometimes a slave gets much food, sometimes not. In some kolkhozes people lived not bad in some ones (as in the case of that friend of mine) people got food not to die from hunger only.