Prove Flight 93 was a bunker buster

You guys are efficient!

 

You meant "since you claim you were [in contact with workers] there [and they gave you photos and videos of the scene that no else in world outside you guys have seen and none of the 'many others' who they gave the footage to uploaded them online for the rest of the world to see that would squelch a lot of these conspiracies]?"

The reason he hasn't provide any first hand knowledge is because his story is completely made up. "Why can't 'skeptics' tell the truth?"

You should comment to him: "So you can't show proof of your claim. Typical."

Who'd ever thought the skeptics trying to prove a 757 buried would be so hard for them that they had to start making stuff up?!

Poor 'skeptics', defeated by lack of evidence once again.

 

This statement describes your claims in theses threads far more accurately than Hannibal, who as you noticed, can produce contact information.

You have claimed to have tried contacting someone(s?), but never said who. If anyone's story is made up, it's likely to be yours.

 

You appear to want people to forget it was you who brought up Wally Miller on the first page of this thread, in the fourth post.

http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/223209-prove-flight-93-bunker-buster.html#post4873095

You clearly thought Wally Miller was on topic Dec 22nd. Only now that Wally isn't helping your position and he's obviously been the target of a "truther" slander campaign, do you want to drop him.

Fine. Just don't dishonestly claim that you dropping him after you brought him up is going back on topic...because it's obvious you considered Wally Miller on topic all along.

 

Source? Where has anyone but you said this?

 

Just noticed...you didn't just bring wally Miller up; the thread looks like an excuse to drag Wally Miller's name in the mud. You have some nerve telling people to get back "on topic" almost 20 pages later.

 

Ask him. He's the source.

 

Only suede ever made that claim.

 

That was quite a demonstration in the formation of a delusion, Suede. The posts are here for everyone to read. Hannibal didn't say that. I saw what he did say. I saw how you changed it in post after post over time. Anyone who wants to can do the same.

Do you truly believe what you typed, or do you want to take that back and post a more honest representation of what he said?

 

Well if that's not what he said, then I'll retract and apologize.

Before we go further though, what will you think of him if he did say that?

 

Why don't you start a thread about Hannibal? This one is about flight 93, I thought.

 

Funny you don't want to answer my simple question. Speaks volumes about your character.

And don't worry, that claim is very on subject with this thread.

So wanna try again, or cowardly avoid it?

 

The so called claim is something you have failed to substantiate. Rather then substantiate the claim you have chosen to discuss Hannibal.

What does Hannibal have to do with the subject of this thread?

 

If you have something to say, suede, come out and say it.

 

And I said before we go any further, if the claim is substantiated, what will you say?

He supposedly has evidence that can Prove Flight 93 was a bunker buster.

 

Trying to bait me? I'm pretty sure that's against the TOS here.

 

If you feel I've broken the ToS, I'm sure you know where the report button is.

Now: If you have something to say, just come out and say it.

 

Prove Flight 93 was a bunker buster

 

Evidence Summary: 10 Points

1) The four hijackers purchased tickets under their own names and boarded the plane. One was randomly selected for and passed additional security screening. Ziad Jarrah was a licensed pilot and had recent training on professional large jet flight simulators. United flight 93 was scheduled to depart at 8:00 am, but left 42 minutes late due to airport traffic. Aboard were 33 passengers, 7 crew members, and 4 hijackers.

2) Several passengers and crew called from the plane, spoke with loved ones, described the hijackers' attack, and related their plan to try to retake the plane so that it would not be used as a suicide weapon against a populated area. All but two of these calls were made using the plane's seatback Airfones.

3) The cockpit voice recorder recorded the hijackers' attack and apparent murder of the pilots and a flight attendant. Air traffic controllers heard a radio transmission by a man with an Arabic accent, warning of a bomb on board. Passengers reported that one of the hijackers had what appeared to be a bomb strapped to him.

4) After learning about the other attacks, passengers and cabin crew attempted to retake the cockpit but were apparently unable to gain entry. The sound of their attempts was recorded on the CVR. The CVR also recorded the hijackers' decision to end the flight, followed by repeated shouts of "Allahu Akbar!" ("God is greatest.") until the plane crashed. Families of victims heard the CVR recording.

5) Flight 93 was tracked by radar until it went down.

6) Many people in Pennsylvania saw the Boeing 757, traveling at low altitude and high speed, roll to the right and plummet upside-down, nose first, towards the ground. Many people witnessed the subsequent enormous explosion and fireball. Val McClatchey photographed the mushroom cloud.

7) Hundreds of first responders (mostly volunteer firefighters) and crime scene investigators were quickly on the scene. They saw human remains, aircraft wreckage, personal effects, jet fuel, etc.
The cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder were recovered and had usable data, all of which is consistent with the other evidence.

8 The remains of every victim was positively identified. Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller personally collected many remains and made 12 identifications through fingerprints and dental records. Personal effects of most passengers and crew were recovered and returned to their families.

9) Hijacker identification documents and personal effects were recovered, along with the remains of four people identified as the hijackers through the process of elimination.

10) Nearly all of the aircraft was recovered by professional investigators and by civilians. The debris was returned to United Airlines after being examined for evidence of explosives use.

At Shanksville, which was by far the smallest of the three 9/11 crash scenes, over 1,100 people from 74 agencies and organizations worked at the scene. Including civilian volunteers, many of whom joined an organized effort to collect aircraft parts, the number of crash scene workers reaches well over 1,500.

On 9/11 alone, these included: • 8 Police Departments • 7 EMS Services • 8 Fire Departments • 10 Emergency Management Agencies • NTSB • ATF • FBI • CISM • Red Cross • United Airlines

Contact information for some flight 93 crash scene responders

Shanksville Volunteer Fire Co, Shanksville, PA 15560.

Somerset County Emergency Services 100 East Union Street, Somerset, PA 15501

Westmoreland County Dept. of Emergency Management 12 Court House Square Greensburg, PA 15601

Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency Harrisburg, PA 17101

Coroner Wallace E. Miller
555 Tayman Avenue
Somerset, PA 15501
814-445-6900

http://www.somersetcountychamber.com/chamber/contacts.asp

Direct sources. The best evidence.

 

Wow! You know, I could go back and search for the thread but...I'm sure it's been removed. Just wow.

 

How about what people will think of you if he didn't say that? Bury the lead much suede?

Telfon suede, always asking for evidence yet never providing any himself.

 

Substantiate the claim and find out. I have no interest in your quid pro quo. First, Hannibal has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. And second, the exchange is not equal. You have offered such bargains in the past, and failed to fulfill your end of the bargain. I don't see any reason why I have to offer you anything in order for you to substantiate your own claim.

And this an example of how a delusion is refined. Suede took a quote from Hannibal and changed its meaning repeatedly. He changed it so much it's barely recognizable as the original quote. Convinced the quote is true, he defends it profusely. He's defended it so profusely in fact that he's seeded the delusion in someone else who adds his own bias.

Now, not only was the quote almost completely fabricated, but we've added the fabrication that the quote was made and now deleted. It won't be too much longer before the quote is completely different as each person co-opts it for their own purposes. Not that it doesn't have a completely different meaning already... Someone else will claim that it was made as a diversion to suppress an important video, for example. Or maybe someone will add that it was made in reference to WTC7.

So Suede, are you going to own up to the fact that this statement:

is a delusion that you formed from a completely different statement of Hannibal's, or are you going to source your claim?

 

I'm sure I'll lose credibility in people's eyes.

So what will YOU think if that quote was accurate?

Still lying? Why can't 'skeptics' ever tell the truth?

 

Afraid to answer, aye?

Talk about taking things out of context!

Well what was the original quote then? I've stated I'll retract if I butchered the original quote.

 

People baiting from glass houses shouldn't throw rocks: