Public service message from FEMA, NIST, 911 Commission.

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    [SIZE=+1]Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Germany's Reich [SIZE=+1]Minister[/SIZE] of Propaganda, once said:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]He added that "truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."[/SIZE]


    "It would seem, for many reasons, that the official story of 9/11, which has served as a religious Myth in the intervening years (and still does), is a myth in the pejorative sense of a story that does not correspond to reality."

    (1) Although the Big Lie holds Osama bin Laden accountable, the FBI admitted it "has no hard evidence connecting" him to the attack (NPHR 206-11).

    (2) Although the 9/11 myth claims "devout Muslims (were) ready to die as martyrs to earn a heavenly reward, Mohamed Atta (their alleged leader) and the other alleged hijackers regularly drank heavily, went to strip clubs, and paid for sex (NPHR 153-55)."

    (3) Claimed cell phone calls from above 30,000 feet to relatives were falsified as technology at the time made completely them impossible. Later, the FBI changed its story, saying only two were made "from United 93 after it descended to 5,000 feet (NPHR 111-17)."

    (4) Then "US Solicitor General Tel Olson's claim that his wife, Barbara Olson, phoned him twice from AA 77," saying hijackers controlled the plane, "was also contradicted by this FBI report," saying one call she attempted was "unconnected" and lasted "0 seconds (NPRH 60-62)."

    (5) The FBI lied, saying Atta's left behind luggage included "decisive evidence that al-Qaeda was responsible for the attacks....(NPHR 155-62)."

    (6) Evidence of alleged Al Qaeda videos, "passports discovered at the crash sites, and a headband discovered at the crash site of United 93 (showed) clear signs of having been fabricated (NPHR 170-73)."

    (7) Evidence shows hijackers WERE NOT on the planes. Moreover, if they broke "into cockpits, the pilots would have 'squawked' the universal highjack code," a simple two second act. However, none aboard the four flights did it (NPHR 175-79).

    (8 Standard operating procedures to intercept "planes showing signs of an in-flight emergency within about 10 minutes" weren't followed. Instead, a "stand-down order prevented (them) from being carried out (NPHR 1-10, 81-84)."

    (9) Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta said Dick Cheney, inside the White House bunker, "apparently confirmed a stand-down order at about 9:25AM," prior to an alleged plane striking the Pentagon. "Another man has reported hearing a member of LAX Security learn that a stand-down order (came) from the 'highest level' of the White House (NPHR 94-96)."

    (10) The 9/11 Whitewash Commission ignored Mineta's report, deleted it from the official record, "and claimed that Cheney did not enter the (bunker) until almost 10:00...." They lied (NPHR 91-94).

    In fact, Philip Zelikow, head of the 9/11 Commission, was a member of the White House.

    (11) The 9/11 Commission even contradicted what Cheney told Tim Russett on "Meet the Press" on September 16 (NPHR 93).

    (12) Hani Hanjour, the so-called terrible pilot unable to fly a single-engine aircraft, "could not possibly have executed the amazing (AA 77) trajectory....to hit Wedge 1 of the Pentagon" that even experienced airline pilots would have had trouble negotiating, and never would have tried, fearing they'd crash and burn (NPHR 78-80).

    (13) Wedge 1 was the most implausible spot to be struck. It was furthest from offices of Rumsfeld and Pentagon top brass, presumably the targeted high-value officials.

    It was also "the only part of the Pentagon that had been reinforced." Its reconstruction wasn't finished, so few people were there. And it presented the most difficult flight path to execute (NPHR 76-78

    (14) Pentagon officials lied, saying they had no warning of an approaching aircraft. In fact, "a military E-4B - the Air Force's most advanced communications, command, and control airplane - was flying over the White House at the time." Astonishingly, the Pentagon "denied it belonged to them (NPHR 96-988)."

    (15) Without explanation, the Secret Service let George Bush remain at a Sarasota, FL school for 30 minutes after learning the second tower was struck, ignoring standard procedures to secure his safety as presumably high-value officials were targeted.

    (16) Their rigid steel columns made it impossible for the towers to crumble, let alone "at virtually free-fall speed - unless (they) had been sliced by means of explosives." In other words, claims about impacting planes and resulting fires being responsible are "scientifically impossible (NPHR 12-25)."

    (17) Other features of the towers' destruction "can be explained only in terms of powerful explosives." They include "horizontal ejections of steel beams, the melting of steel, and the sulfidation and thinning of steel." Moreover, "fires could not have come within the temperature needed to melt steel (NPHR 30-36)."

    (18 New York Fire Department "oral histories shortly after 9/11" provided testimonies of "having witnessed explosions in the Twin Towers. Others toppling WTC 7 as well as the towers were also reported by city officials, WTC employees, and journalists (NPHR 27-30, 45-48, 51)."

    (19) On 9/11, Mayor Rudy Giuliani told" told ABC News anchor Peter Jennings that he was informed that the towers would collapse, despite no basis to think so. In fact, the so-called information came from his own Office of Emergency Management that either falsified it or had advance knowledge of the plot (NPH 40).

    (20) "NIST, which produced the official reports on the Twin Towers and (recently) WTC 7, has been fully hijacked from the scientific to the political realm...." In fact, its "scientists" are "hired guns (NPHR 11, 238-51)."

    (21) Growing numbers of "physicists, chemists, architects, engineers, pilots, former military officers, and former intelligence officers" reject the official 9/11 myth as a bald-faced lie (NPHR xi).

    This is a public service message from FEMA, NIST, 911 Commission.

    So I am sure everyone is shocked that there are still people today who continue to sell the trougher myth. Here is the moto and theme, with a word from their spokesman.

    [video=youtube;_vgQalXaIxs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vgQalXaIxs[/video]




    This is only the tip of the iceburg and its not all 100% perfect but there is so much fraud every way you turn does anyone honestly take this 19 jihacker government conspiracy theory seriously?
     
  2. KAMALAYKA

    KAMALAYKA Banned

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    The US govrrnment has never lied about these sorts of things.

    (Silently scrubs the Bay of Tonkin Incident from the records)

    Oops. . .
     
  3. leftysergeant

    leftysergeant New Member

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    Total flame bait. Bare assertion falacy.

    The FDNY oral histories do not support the idiotic conclusion of drooling imbeciles like MaCQueen or Griffin.

    Hasn't worked for ten years, isn't going to work now.
     
  4. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    thanks for warning us you were going to post a flame bait.

    There is nothing flame bait about my post.

    Pointing out trougher lies is not a flame bait. (well except that its true and truth hurts!)

    yeh pointing out trougher lies has worked quite well.

    The only people on the planet that does not think they are lies are of course troughers.

    You cry flame and put not a damn thing up to support your frivolous claims!

    Of course they support it, you just close your eyes to it as usual and continue in your little fantasy world!

    [​IMG]


    worthless off point opinions that troughers put up do not debunk anything LOL

    What makes you think its a flame bait?

    I think its just more of your whining like you always do when the truth hits you between the eyes.

    Would think that you would get sick of constantly being corrected out here.
     
  5. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Nope never ever! LOL

    Virtually every bit of data they have is bare assertion.

    I should count how many times the use the words, "probable" and "could have" and "may have" and "most likely" and put it all up as fact.

    Their crystal balls were really working overtime, especially with building 7 model LOL

    The more I look into this the more difficult it is to find any level of truth or troughers that know the difference.
     
  6. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Here you go lefty, just for you to AGAIN prove how (*)(*)(*)(*)ing WRONG you are and I am being nice because this has all been brought to your attention many times and now that bull(*)(*)(*)(*) you spout is getting to the point of a big black nasty LIE. Hmm....

    [video=youtube;IO1ps1mzU8o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded& v=IO1ps1mzU8o[/video]


    the only flames here are the one you bring on yourself!


    yep same with this girl

    [​IMG]

    bomb blew up in her face as well



    How much of a beating do you need?
    "[T]here was just an explosion [in the south tower]. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions."
    --Firefighter Richard Banaciski

    "I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?" --Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory


    "t was [like a] professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'." --Paramedic Daniel River



    so where is the truth in what yo uare saying, or do you want to claim the whole world is involved in a conspiracy against your gubbmint approved bull(*)(*)(*)(*)?

    .
     
  7. Hannibal

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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    no that is not correct. I typed stuff in the op and put up a vid and made my comments and want to know how any of you can any longer be believed on anything.

    Good shot! Very effective!

    [​IMG]


    and like our previous poster cant address the points in the post. FAIL LOL
     
  9. leftysergeant

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    I have personal experience on which to base my interpretations of information. You have to rely on those better educated than you. Unfortunately, you have taken the word of those better educated than you in areas that have bugger all to do with what we are discussing. I am better-educated than that drooling lunatic Griffin in the arewa of fire investigations. You need to bring me someone a lot smarter than that idiot before I would even consider changing my opinion.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded& v=IO1ps1mzU8o

    These people were in the north tower when the south collapsed. The "secondary explosion" that they heard was, in fact, the collapse of the neighboring building. There is so much dust in the air at this time that they may not even have known that the towers had both collapsed.


    the only flames here are the one you bring on yourself!


    No. Her injuries are apparently from flying debris, I would have to see the original video to know from which event. But she was nowhere near a demolition charge. She can still hear and speak.



    How much of a beating do you need?
     
  10. plague311

    plague311 New Member Past Donor

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    It's very well known that truthers have, what I like to call, "Hollywooditus". They are under the impression that real life is like the movies. If a bomb goes off, you're knocked out for 10 minutes, get some minor wounds, wake up and start chasing people. They have absolutely no idea how stupid it is to believe that those style of injuries transfer to real life. If a bomb blew up in that persons face or even close to her, she'd be dead. If a bomb with the capability to bring down either one of the world trade centers had gone off, she definitely would be dead.

    We also run into the common sense problem of, why the hell would they detonate a bomb an hour before the building fell? It is either the most useless bomb ever, or "they" just wanted a dead giveaway that it was an inside job. The bomb obviously didn't do any structural damage, and it didn't affect the integrity of the building.
     
  11. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    still having comprehension issues huh.

    he specified that the stair well blew out and took out the lobby, and you conclude it was the building next door, once again proving that your true qualifications are in janitorial and burger flipping service industry. Either that or you have gone completely delusional and live in some sort of fantasy world.

    same with the girl.

    you have the screwed up opinion that when a bomb goes off, regardless of circumstance people will never hear again. Troughers always have these mountainous fantasies they cant seem to overcome.
     
  12. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Sure people can be knocked out for 10 minutes and like lefty you too seem to have the delusional fantasy that every case is the same.

    whats wrong with troughers that they look at the world through little tubes?

    Are you competing for leftys janitorial job? good jobs are hard to find you know.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe 4-5 psi overpressure is considered the lethal threshold.

    and

     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    yeh? So what?

    you got measurement data then to prove they were exposed to values over 5 is that it?

    those values also level the buildings.

    values as low as 3.5 will drop a structure and humans can survive up to and exceeding 4.5, which also is enough to severe structural damage and blow everything out that is non structural so whats your point aside from leading everyone to erroneous conclusions and in doing so prove plague is wrong again and fast approaching lefty's score?
     
  15. Hannibal

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    You have affidavits from her I suppose? Produce them or you're obviously making it up.
     
  16. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    the pressures required to kill someone and or damage buildings is widely publicized. It appears as if you are completely confused. Take a nap, get some rest, do some drugs, whatever it takes to keep up or drop out.
     
  17. Hannibal

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    So you admit you have no evidence? Figures.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    nist has not provided any bonafide evidence.
     
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    I'm not talking about NIST, I'm talking about your claim of a bomb going off in that woman's face.

    Show your affidavit.
     
  20. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    its not my claim its what she said to abc news.

    are you accusing a poor victim of lying?

    Do you think its a conspiracy?

    All these people that talk about being blown up?

    Some nefarious plot against the government maybe?
     
  21. Hannibal

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    Wrong again, she said nothing of the sort. Your evidence is lacking.
     
  22. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    really?

    Do you have an affidavit?
     
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    It's right there with yours.
     
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    At the time the video was made, those people did not know what had happened. None of them had ever seen a hundred-storey building collapse from that close before.
     
  25. Kokomojojo

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    they knew they were blown across the room.

    how did you manage to tie that to a collapse?

    I bet this guy knew what happened before he hit the ground eh

    [​IMG]


    see there is no collapse and that guy is not only getting blown across the room but right out the window!
     

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