Questions for Tea Partiers

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by NoPartyAffiliation, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. Lowden Clear

    Lowden Clear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    NPA, obviously FOX is more right, but I hear you say little about how MSM is certainly left. If you are learning what the TP is all about from your left ear we are out to kill you. Your right ear might say we are mad as hell and we want our country back. Kool-aid is for those who don't even understand we have some major problems in our country. They have no clue that over spending won''t cure the problem.

    Funny thing is the TP doesn't really need to defend itself. We know who we are even if we are still learning how to get it. Most of us think people will take us seriously as we get closer to making an even bigger difference. Besides, it is a bit disingenuous to say we aren't taken seriously when Congress was stood on its ear during the Debt Ceiling talks. Talk about a sobering voice among the spenders. It isn't our job to bring others up to speed or to convince liberals we are right. It is up to people who question politics to get up to speed on their own. We've weathered the racial claims and now the terrorist claims. We are on the march as is evident by the seriousness we are given.

    Paul has some great things to offer.

    Anyone can take pot shots and smile like it means little. And anyone can have a chip on their shoulder and when pointed out say with a chuckle, "What, this little thing?" I've seen people's eyes open when they look around at the condition of our country and laugh that they we too wrapped up in life to have noticed before. And I've seem jokers who couldn't be serious about anything suddenly get the WFT look on their face when they realize some of the things going on. Only someone with blinders on could think we are in good shape. But once they start to realize that something must be done they get real serious. Once they understand they are not alone their humor comes up to support them.
     
  2. NoPartyAffiliation

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    Seriously dude, lighten up. You've obviously missed the dozens of posts where I've asked, learned, acknowledged and then praised the TP on several things. Guess what? You can take something seriously and still be happy, humorous and let of of the defensive thing. Jus' sayin.

    As far as MSM, I guess my signature should be bigger ;-)

    Oh and as far as the debt ceiling thing. While you guys are all thumping your chests, virtually ALL of the non-TPers viewed the TP much more negatively after that BS. It was definitely seen as a "We want to show our power over the GOP and who cares if the country is screwed in the process" kind of thing. So you're right. It's not your job to convince Liberals but a lot of people here will confirm, I've made a real effort to understand you guys because frankly, you come off as a bunch of whackjobs to anyone who's not already a member of the club. The first few times I dared to even ask about TP positions, people got even more defensive and had an even bigger chip on thier shoulders than you obviously do.
    So while you can get all self-righteous and superior or whatever, you might temper that with the wisdom that if your message is important, it might be worth trying to get people to listen and understand.
     
  3. Lowden Clear

    Lowden Clear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It simply isn't that hard to understand. You can out think yourself all you want. You can call us whack jobs if it makes you feel better. If you don't get it you don't get it.

    A simple message was delivered en masse last November. I guess you didn't recognize it. I have changed my mind. I was right about this thread the first time. I was mistaken to think you were actually trying to understand a thing.

    If you or others prefer to see the TP as folks who want to screw the country then by all means belittle us. That's how some do politics. No big deal.
     
  4. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Because Obama and the Democrat policies have exacerbated the recession and is paying people not to work so that hits tax revenues.
     
  5. NoPartyAffiliation

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    Really? That weak ass "Oh poor me! I'm a victim because you don't understand me just because I'm basically an <<Mod Edit>>" is the best argument you have?

    Well alrighty then. Glad I met so many other TPers with a bit more intellect and a lot more balls.
    Okay sweetie. You just go have a nice cup of Earl Grey or something. It will be fine later.
    Then again, maybe you should do what a lot of Conservs are saying nowadays. <<Mod Edit>>
     
  6. Joe Six-pack

    Joe Six-pack Banned

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    First, it's absurd to claim a multi-group party, consisting of moderates, conservatives, libertarians and moderate-liberals would all have a "single" belief about specific issues. It's a big tent party and should be thought of as several different groups around the country under the same name.
     
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    Okay Joe. School me. Tell me what a "Moderate-Liberal" would find appealing about the TP.
    First, I guess we should each define a Moderate Liberal. I would say this:

    Doesn't care about gays or what they do.
    Doesn't want Roe v Wade overturned.
    May not be pro-taxes but would necessarily be against it, if it meant digging us out of this hole.
    Pro or okay union.
    Okay with gun ownership but probably recognizes that we have a gun violence problem in this country and wouldn't mind some kind of legislation to curb that.
    Does not want to get rid of ANY of the following: CIA, FAA, SEC, NRC, USDA, NTSB, CRA of '64, OSHA, NLRB or NEA.
    I could go on but let's see how you define a Moderate Liberal so far...
     
  8. Joe Six-pack

    Joe Six-pack Banned

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    Do you know the definition of the word "liberty?"

    Freedom from despotic governmental control.

    You are describing an average libertarian so far. You do know some TP are libertarian, right?
     
  9. GoSlash27

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    Knowing what you know now about media distortion, don't you suppose that has at least as much to do with how we "were seen" as anything we were *actually* doing?
    C'mon, now. You're a smart guy and I'm sure you can put 2 and 2 together. Let's see if you can tell me what we were actually trying to do.
     
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    Umm you need to STOP listening to the media/Obama's scare tactics! There is a hell of of lot more in the Federal government that can be cut without starting on SS and medicare. Federal employees and congressional salaries and pensions to start with; unnecessary czars and departments; defence; entitlements for the healthy; stupid study grants; farm subsidies; foreign aid and the list is practically limitless!!!!!
     
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    You're wrong.. surprise, surprise. Once again proof the sheeple are easily controlled by the media.

    Let me make it easy for you. If you have $5 in your pocket and the movie cost $10, you don't get to go to the movie!
     
  12. hiimjered

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    Simple answer:

    #1: Yes
    #2+: Some do some don't. The TEA party is a group of people focused on #1, they have diverse opinions about the rest.

    People like to pick the preferences of a few TEA party members and claim they represent the part, which is where you get the stupid comments about the party, such as the Kenyan thing, the racism thing, etc. This is just a weak attempt at attacking a group that is attempting to reduce entitlements - a necessity if we are going to balance the budget.

    The TEA party isn't a conventional political party. They are more of a political action group or a grass-roots organization dedicated to a single goal: reduce government spending.
     
  13. dixiehunter

    dixiehunter Banned

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    Tea Partier's want to take just another 2nd rated Country today called America.....And too restore it back too a Power Nation called United States.

    Those that oppose that, are the Scumm in this country.
     
  14. Lowden Clear

    Lowden Clear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now whose forgetting to lighten up and see the humor?

    There is no argument to make when dealing with someone who is against everything. It is better to wait until they stand for something and converse from there. Having no party affiliation doesn't make you superior. It just makes it so if you don't stand for something you can fall for anything. And then you can try to laugh it off as if nothing can touch you. Or, if called on it ditch the humor and go for the throat. Whatever, your choice.

    Anyway, the TP passion to make something right seems to ignite passion in others who disagree and are out to discredit at every chance. That alone is bringing sincere people to our ranks. All shapes, sizes and colors, they are welcome.
     
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    Lowden Clear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But hey, I though we had Movie Rights. Isn't the government going to pay for my Movie Rights?
     
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    Make a point?
     
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    Great. You know the definition of Congress? The opposite of Progress. YOu know what I meant by Liberal and do not need me or anyone else to give you the contemporary meaning.


    Yeah the problem is that the Tea Party would never tolerate a candidate who was so "liberal" they would tolerate gay marriage, the free and unimpeded existence of unions and pro-choice.
     
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    tomteapack New Member Past Donor

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    All the members of the tea party that I personally know are nuts and were nuts before the tea party came to be. They believe in various things but some of the ones, that one or more of them have stated are:
    Let's nuke Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan etc, and make a parking lot out of it.
    We should have another civil war, this time the south would win.
    I hate the govt---no one better touch my food stamps.
    Those are just a few that popped into my mind as I sat here.
     
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    Well you better keep the goberment out of my medicare!
     
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    You have already learned through your interaction with us that we are not the people the media has portrayed us to be and our motivations are not what the media has portrayed them to be. Yet you're still basing your assumptions on what they said?
    You're smarter than that.
    Give it another go. This time, base your assumption on what you've learned from direct observation. Why did we refuse to raise the debt ceiling?
     
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    Almost completely false. The only thing that's even close to accurate is the opposition to public employee unions. The TEA Party would reject any candidate who's for that. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xycy1aNZBzc]Given the fact that the guy who brought about unionization in America was against that[/ame], I wouldn't call that an extreme position.
    As for gay marriage and abortion, that doesn't really interest the rank and file TEA Party members. Some are social conservatives, others are social libertarians. Most consider social issues to be of secondary importance at the moment.
    If you recall from my answers upstream, I would not support a candidate who opposes gay marriage.
    /you still got some research to do...
     
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    Your point fails, and - unless you cede to GoSlash's clear expression of the truth - we'll believe that your understanding of the TEA Party as you express it here is no longer one of misimpression, but - instead - a purposeful assassination of character.

    You wouldn't want to be thought of in that way, would you?
     
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    Because you're terrorists?
     
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    That is definitely not what I'm seeing here. As you've pointed out, I've learned much by keeping an open mind and being patient throught the attacks, so I could get to the message. But there are some things about the Tea Party that the over-whelming majority support - and which have nothing whatsoever to do with budgets and such. Examples:

    Gun rights
    Abortion
    Gay Marriage
    Unions

    I think if your compatriots would ignore these issues almost completely, they would do a LOT better. But neither the candidates nor the members do that. Just look at all the threads right here, started by Tea Partiers on those issues.

    Oh, and I was just kidding about the "terrorists" thing obviously! :)

    I know these are subjects that inspire passion but a LOT of people here would do well to have a little humor...
     
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    You may have "only been kidding", but you haven't answered the question, either.
    /methinks thou doth protest too much...
     

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