Red Cross may start advocating 'abortion rights'

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by MisLed, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. Blasphemer

    Blasphemer Well-Known Member

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    At best, only if the owner (woman) does not want to kill them and its done against her will (fetal homicide laws). That means its still treated as an owned thing rather than a separate person.

    And anyway, legislation is subjective and often changes. Saying "its currently the law" is thus a very weak argument for something being objectively right/wrong.
     
  2. Whaler17

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    This is simply false. It is a kool aid drinking pro abortion type's mistaken notion. The laws specifically recognize fetuses as persons and most specifically define a fetus as a human being and/or "person:.

    Nothing subjective about spefically defining a fetus as a "person".
     
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    prometeus Banned

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    MOST do not define it in the first trimester as anything and ONLY SOME make definitions and ONLY FOR ONE AND ONLY ONE scope.
    Are you a person for only one scope?

    That is simply a continued lie. If that was true why did some states attempt "personhood amendments" which failed? The failure is a clear indication to all rational people that fetuses are in fact not persons.
    Still, I am sure you will continue your lies about it.
     
  4. Blasphemer

    Blasphemer Well-Known Member

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    Yes, there is. There is no objective definition of a being, or person.

    WIKIPEDIA:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person

    Plenty of people dont consider early foetuses, or even unborn foetuses to be persons, or beings.
     
  5. Whaler17

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    Wikipedia? Seriously? :laughing:

    There actually is a definition of person, and it includes all human beings.
     
  6. Blasphemer

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    Then such definition is subjective, since defining something as person before law is an "ought" (value), not "is" (factual) statement.

    And I noticed you always steer this into a semantics and definitions game and only use circular logic. But you never go to the core of the problem - justify why should those definitions you use be valid. Why should embryos be defined as persons before law? Why should we protect humans with no mind?
     
  7. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Of which a fetus is not.
     
  8. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Where does Roe disagree with me?
     
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    Now that is just silly
     
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    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    You say abortion should be allowed until birth, it recognizes that is barbaric and cruel and prohibits abortions in later stages!
     
  11. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Late abortions are still allowed, though.
     
  12. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It does NO SUCH THING! Roe says that states MAY prohibit abortion in later stages, not that they must, or that Roe itself prohibits it.
     
  13. Whaler17

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    Insignificant distinction. Why would it allow such a thing?
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL, whenever you're WRONG, it's just insignificant. Try again.
     
  15. Whaler17

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    Obviously I am not wrong, and

    I see you ignored the question I posed, so AGAIN

    Why would it allow such a thing?
     
  16. prometeus

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    Of course you are wrong if you are unable to tell the difference between mandating or allowing. Then again this is not the first instance where you are not capable to distinguish reality from your fantasy.
     
  17. Whaler17

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    :laughing:

    Again with the question dodging :roll:

    ANSWER THE QUESTION!
     
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    You have not asked me a question. What is the question you want me to answer?
     
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    WHere? Prove it!
     
  22. Whaler17

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    SO you can't read, is that waht you are saying? I mean I have suspected it for a LOOOONG time but never thought you would admit it. I posted the link Genius.
     
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    You must need new glasses since things that are so "obvious" to you are seldom obvious to others.

    Why would the SC allow the states to regulate abortion past viability? Because such regulation would be constitutional. Nonetheless, RvW does not require such regulation by the states.
     
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    How would that be constitutional but prohibiting the states from making their own decision earlier in the pregnancy is constitutional. It simply makes no sense.
     
  25. Makedde

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    In the case of fetal abnormality and if the mothers life is at risk, they are permitted.
     

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