Red Cross may start advocating 'abortion rights'

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by MisLed, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    First things first, show me proof of your assertion.
     
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    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Catholics rule the world? Really? Seems to me that contraception in many different forms is already currently widely available.
     
  3. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    There are people already trying to outlaw birth control, or haven't you noticed? The proposal to recognise a fetus as a person would effectively ban birth control.
     
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    Condoning premeditated homicide is a good thing?
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    No woman has been charged with a homicide after she has an abortion, so how, exactly, are women getting away with such vile crimes while the police, doctors, courts and government turn a blind eye?
     
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    Premeditated homicide of a non-sentient life is a bad thing?
     
  7. Whaler17

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    Premeditated homicide of any human being is a bad thing.
     
  8. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Mak Mak Mak, how many times do I have to explain to you that all homicides are not illegal? Abortion is a legal homicide.

    "The killing of one human being by another human being.

    Although the term homicide is sometimes used synonymously with murder, homicide is broader in scope than murder. Murder is a form of criminal homicide; other forms of homicide might not constitute criminal acts. These homicides are regarded as justified or excusable."


    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Homicide

    This is at least the fifth time I have posted this, so you are either exceptionally dishonest or you just don't read.
     
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    You can post it as many times you wish, it will still remain false. You have been shown more than five times why abortion is not a homicide outside your imaginary world yet you persist you posting that it is. Is that because YOU cant read and understand or because you are dishonest or both?

    Let me explain to you again why abortion is not a homicide.
    You see ALL homicides, that means EVERY SINGLE ONE, are documented, a cause of death determined and a death certificate issued. In cases where foul play is found or suspected, further investigation by law enforcement is conducted. Of course as you well know none of the above is done for abortions, which raises the question, why do you really keep posting your fallacy?
     
  10. Whaler17

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    :lol:

    This is so ridiculous t is humorous.

    The definition of homicide says nothing about documentation. A homicide is just the killing of a human being by another. An abortion clearly fits.
     
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    This is so idiotic it is pathetic. What does the definition of homicide have to do with this? Does the definition of murder say anything about prosecution?
     
  12. Whaler17

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    'nuff said (highlighted craziness above) :crazy:
     
  13. MisLed

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    Aside from knowing it is wrong....the following may help persons who worship themselves and/or death perhaps understand where the christian types are coming from:

    Jeremiah 1:5: Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I
    appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
    Psalm 139:13-16: For You created my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb. I
    praise You because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Your works are wonderful, I know that
    full well. My frame was not hidden from You when I was made in the secret place. When I was
    woven together in the depths of the earth, Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained
    for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be.

    If you think it makes me happy to witness the madness of my fellow human beings intent on denying life to the unborn, it doesn't. I am unhappy witnessing the descent into hell of my fellow man, especially the women. What does help in a sort of way is to know that i am not wrong.
     
  14. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    And you are correct sir, you are not wrong.

    It is very sad to see people go to such great lengths and stretches of logic an imagination to justify the intentional killing of children in utero.

    It really is very much like the slavery issue, wherein the people who wanted to deprive slaves of rights loudly proclaimed that they were not actually people. It is frightening the parallels to the modern abortion promoters.
     
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    Code word "Safe". Like "safe" sex.....lol. People are so stupid.

    No such thing as "safe" sex or "safe"abortions. Your either having sex or your not. Your either having an abortion or your not.

    How can something even be considered "safe" when someone is intentionally killed in the process????.....lol. Riddle me that one Batman.
     
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    This passage is specific to one, very special person—Jeremiah the prophet, whom God has called to provide miraculous powers and authority to the world. Since we are not all destined to be divine prophets, this verse cannot be construed as applying to any fetus except the unborn Jeremiah. Again, anti-choicers are being dishonest by pulling this verse totally out of its context.

    All this passage states is that God is directly involved in the creation of a fetus and knows its future. This is useless for the anti-choice position, since God creates all living things, including trees and bugs. Plus, just because God is supposedly omniscient doesn't give fetuses any special status—it simply means God already knows whether they will live or die. It is dishonest to conclude from this verse that a fetus is a human being deserving of more protection than women. The passage is poetic prose that anti-choicers have twisted and trivialized by giving it a literal, objective meaning where there is none.
    http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/bible.shtml

    What does the Bible say about judging?
     
  17. MisLed

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    do you think that the God of Creation only knew ONE person in the womb? You're wrong. There is the example of Jacob and Esau.

    But again... There you have it. We will answer for this. In this world and in the next.
     
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    But thats just your subjective opinion. Many people including myself are of the opinion that killing non-sentient life is not necessarily wrong, regardless of its DNA sequence. Especially if it benefits sentient beings.

    Justify why killing humans with no mind is bad.
     
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    Sentient heh? HELL, Why don't we just graduate into killing newborns and babes up to 6 weeks. Is that okay with you?
     
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    Safe sex means protecting yourself against pregnancy or disease. I don't know why that is so difficult to understand, when the majority of people on this planet have practiced safe sex at some stage or other.

    A safe abortion means an abortion that won't kill the woman. Because she is all that matters. Her, not a blob.
     
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    Since when babies, or late fetuses do not have a mind? Brain waves appear in 5th month of fetal development.
     
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    Well actually there is nothing subjective about it. There are many laws passed that essentially say that killing these people is a bad tyhing and is immoral.
     
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    Thank God even Roe V Wade disagrees with you.
     
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    Stunning that women..WOMEN, have that attitude about the life they carry in their bodies. We're Babylon. They used the products of the womb for cosmetic rejuvenation. Surely we could do some recycling for you 'greens'.
     
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    Well you know many lefties have no problem with the idea of farming embryos for stem cell harvesting, so yeah you are right on the money!
     

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