THIS is the ABORTION Forum....not the "gun/penis substitute" Forum In THIS forum, in this issue, Pro-Choice refers to the choice between abortion or pregnancy and NOTHING ELSE
That depends on your race. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK430793/ In the United States, mortality rates per 100,000 abortions are as follows: fewer than 8 weeks - 0.5%; 11-12 weeks - 2%; 16-20 weeks - 14%; and more than 21 weeks - 18%. https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehea...h/pregnancy-mortality-surveillance-system.htm 42.8 deaths per 100,000 live births for black non-Hispanic women. 32.5 deaths per 100,000 live births for American Indian/Alaskan Native non-Hispanic women. 14.2 deaths per 100,000 live births for Asian/Pacific Islander non-Hispanic women. 13.0 deaths per 100,000 live births for white non-Hispanic women. 11.4 deaths per 100,000 live births for Hispanic women.
FoxHastings said: ↑ You seem to have a meaningless hobbyhorse but here goes: It does NOT matter what women think about people having the right to their own bodies , they do. IF a woman is against abortion and wants to ban it she is as guilty as anyone else who wants to deny rights to 51% of the population. YES, there are women so stupid they do NOT know the repercussions of losing the right to their own bodies.
Why did you bring RACE into it??? Effects of Pregnancy: Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy: exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks) altered appetite and senses of taste and smell nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester) heartburn and indigestion constipation weight gain dizziness and light-headedness bloating, swelling, fluid retention hemmorhoids abdominal cramps yeast infections congested, bloody nose acne and mild skin disorders skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen) mild to severe backache and strain increased headaches difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping increased urination and incontinence bleeding gums pica breast pain and discharge swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases) extreme pain on delivery hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover) Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy: stretch marks (worse in younger women) loose skin permanent weight gain or redistribution abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh) changes to breasts increased foot size varicose veins scarring from episiotomy or c-section other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty) increased proclivity for hemmorhoids loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis) higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates) Occasional complications and side effects: complications of episiotomy spousal/partner abuse hyperemesis gravidarum temporary and permanent injury to back severe scarring requiring later surgery (especially after additional pregnancies) dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele) pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies) eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death) gestational diabetes placenta previa anemia (which can be life-threatening) thrombocytopenic purpura severe cramping embolism (blood clots) medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby) diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication) serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis) hormonal imbalance ectopic pregnancy (risk of death) broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone") hemorrhage and numerous other complications of delivery refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures) severe post-partum depression and psychosis research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease Less common (but serious) complications: peripartum cardiomyopathy cardiopulmonary arrest magnesium toxicity severe hypoxemia/acidosis massive embolism increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease (like a pregnancy-induced cancer) malignant arrhythmia circulatory collapse placental abruption obstetric fistula More permanent side effects: future infertility permanent disability death.
If I am poled and asked if Nothing like mansplaining to us ..If men got pregnant abortion would be a sacrament
I wonder how you would feel if women declared that after a man has had two children he would be forced to have a vasectomy. Would you like women to make that decision for you?
But let’s force them to get them. It should not be a choice if a man has two children he must have a vasectomy. Is there something wrong with not giving man a choice? (Sarcasm alert)
You should! But If women started a movement forcing meant to get vasectomies against their well I could be sure you would be upset
...it would put men in a total panic..telling them what to do with their bodies .Dictating to them and forcing them against their will, yeah men. will just go along with it. LOL
It would probably put women in a panic more than anything tbh if men were all given vasectomies at 25. Let's be honest there are a good portion of women who use pregnancies as meal tickets. Didnt men get told to risk at bullet in Vietnam????
Again women are much more interested in children and if there was forced vasectomies women would panic more than men.
Obviously....... They are so strong that they need a leg up through the judicial system. Mother's can't pay for their children no worries the state will take care of it , Father's can't pay for their children hope you like bunking with bubba. 1,000s of women's shelters yet very few for men. Women walking away from responsibility through abortion that's fine Men suck it up you knew what you were doing. Women "you can't tell us what to do with our bodies" Men " why are you special the government tells men what to do with our bodies every year"
It's like Chappelle said. If they can choose to kill an unborn child, we can at least choose to abandon one. Our wallet, our choice.
I am so glad every gun toter/advocate is Pro-Choice when it comes to abortion !!! They are PRO CHOICE are they not????? Oh! What? They all aren't ???!! Well, golly gee doesn't that make them all a bunch of hypocritical, two faced misogynists IF they don't support women's right to their own bodies just like they support the right to own a gun. Now, where can I see the list of every gun advocate and how they swear they are Pro-Choice when it comes to abortion. Now what other topics should we discuss….this is Open Forum......sports, war, quilting, skate boarding, cooking, recipes, …..anything at all... How about that Dorian??!!!! Anybody affected?
