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  1. JakeStarkey

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    Logic fallacy.

    Fox Hastings is stating facts in this thread.
     
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  2. TurnerAshby

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    Not all women are pro abortion...

    See most polling and you pretending to know what all women want could be perceived as sexist
     
  3. JakeStarkey

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    Of not all women are pro abortion, just the majority if it is necessary.

    And, no, understanding most polling and knowing what most women want is not sexist.

    Substituting "all" for "most" is inaccurate.
     
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    Huh?She should be the first person to make the decision
     
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    Renee Well-Known Member

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    No one said all women are pro-abortion but that’s that extremism again… All or nothing. Many women are not for abortion personally but most women are pro-choice meaning they support other women to make their own choices. They don’t need some men without uteruses telling them what they can do and cannot do with their bodies
     
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    44℅ of women are pro life yet you are pretending they are some monolith. So these women aren't actually women? Again your words as a male speaking on behalf of females seems wrong but OK

    "There is a narrow gender gap in Americans' descriptions of themselves as either pro-choice or pro-life. Gallup began asking this question annually in 2001 as part of Gallup's Values and Beliefs survey, and since that time, men have been slightly more likely than women to choose the pro-life descriptor. The gap has been between three and four points since 2010 -- including the most recent period from 2015-2018, with 47% of men and 44% of women choosing the pro-life label.


    The slight male edge in identification as pro-life reflects women becoming slightly more pro-choice in recent years, with 50% of women and 46% of men choosing the pro-choice label over the past four years."


    https://news.gallup.com/poll/235646/men-women-generally-hold-similar-abortion-attitudes.aspx

    46% of women are pro choice
    44% of women are pro life

    I wonder if that falls within the margin of error within the poll. Yet you spoke in way deceiving manner saying the women would disagree yet the polling and facts say otherwise
     
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    Gallup poll say 46℅ of women are pro choice 44℅ are pro life. In cases like Alabama where it was a woman telling other women what to do with their bodies what then? Does that female governor not count as a true woman if she has a different opinion?
     
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    Did the movie ever touch on adoption as an option?
     
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    Poll Finds Most Women Back Abortion Restrictions
    By Jeanne Mancini
    January 27, 2017


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    "Abortion may be a women’s issue, but not in the way that the media and some politicians would like us to believe. Far from seeing abortion as a sacrosanct right to be defended, the overwhelming majority of women in this country want abortion restricted, and don’t want it funded by tax dollars. A majority also think it is morally wrong and that it causes more harm than good to women in the long run.

    Such a statement isn’t guesswork, or based on anecdotal evidence. It is a fact, proven by the newly released survey on abortion from The Marist Poll. As it has for past nine years, this annual poll on abortion in America, sponsored by the Knights of Columbus, again shows just how extreme and outside the mainstream that abortion advocacy, and the resistance to restrictions, really is.

    If politicians really want to show that they trust American women, then they should follow the advice of the overwhelming majority of us and restrict abortion in meaningful ways.

    This means supporting the president’s action to ban funding of abortion internationally, which is supported by 83 percent of women, and same percentage of all Americans.

    This means limiting abortion substantially through legislation. Nationwide, 77 percent of women support limiting abortion to – at most – the first trimester. That is slightly higher than the percentage of all Americans – 74 percent. Laws restricting abortion should be embraced, not resisted."

    Hmm Marist poll and Gallup poll disagree with your assertion
     
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    Nobody is "pro-abortion". People who are pro-choice do not want to force women to get abortions. What part of "pro-choice" is so hard for people to understand?
     
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    Most states restrict abortion after the 21st week. I don't hear many pro-choice people who have trouble with that. No fetus has ever survived younger than 21 weeks.
     
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    Turner, not a person said woman support abortion on demand.

    Most of them overwhelmingly support abortion with regulation.
     
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    Again another poster spoke about women like they are all decidedly in the pro choice camp when polling does not say that. I spoke to correct that deceiving post. If there was some huge majority the issue would've been solved by now.
     
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    I quoted you saying soccer moms and working moms don't agree which is factually incorrect. Had you said some or roughly half don't agree then your post would've been factual.
     
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    Again point being its disingenuous to pretend women are all in agreement regarding abortion/pro choice and pro life. To say otherwise is misleading as polling shows its roughly 50/50 pro choice vs pro life
     
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    Studies have shown that although the reasons women have abortions vary what does not vary is that they think about it seriously and weigh the issues.
     
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    "pro-choice" means "pro-abortion" because the right to an elective abortion is the ONLY choice you are defending and in many cases promoting.
     
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    I'm an American voter. And in this country ultimately voters decide what rights people have and don't have.
     
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    Moronic reply. Pro-choice means it's up to the woman to choose - "pro-abortion" means someone who thinks abortion is the best choice. English - try it sometime.
     
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    You know what people associate "pro choice" with don't you? You would be intellectually dishonest if you didn't.
     
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    Tyranny of the voters is how 6 million Jewish people were slaughtered. Hitler was voted into power. American rights are determined by Congress and the Courts - not the majority of voters.
     
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    Yup. People identify pro-choice with the right to choose. Intellectually dishonest people try to associate it with forced abortion. Are you intellectually dishonest?
     
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    No. Pretending that all women are either only pro-choice or anti-abortion is where misleading thought comes in. Most women believe abortion SHOULD be allowed up to a certain week of gestation and/or for medical reasons or in the case of rape or incest. Trying to shoe-horn in women into one box or the other is intellectually dishonest.
     
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    Not quite true
     
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    It's been so long since the voters backed an Amendment that for all practical purposes, it is true.
     
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