Remains of 215 children found buried at former B.C. residential school, First Nation says

Maybe you should read "The Grapes of Wrath" - a novel by John Steinbeck, published in 1939? Awarded the Pulitzer Prize.

 

You are lying. I have repeatedly asked you to provide a link to a historical document, but you can only link to science fiction novels.

 

Ahahahaha ... You too, as proof, decided to show a link to a fantasy novel?
No one. Once again for especially gifted - No one !!! of you can not show a link to a real document that proves the nonsense about "bloody Stalin" that you are promoting.
Once again, none of you have shown a single real document.
All your links are ridiculous and ridiculous.
You might as well be charged with the Kennedy assassination, for example.

 

Night Never Ending is history, not fantasy. If it wasn't real why did Stalin try to kill its author, the only survivor of the undeniably REAL Katryn Forest Massacre, for years afterward?

 

But maybe Truman wanted to kill the author? Or Churchill? Or De Gaulle?
Why Stalin? Do you have proof? Or will you once again refer to a science fiction novel?
As for the execution of the Poles, no one denies their murder. The question is - who killed? In Nuremberg, in 1946, it was believed that the Germans had killed the Poles. Perhaps, therefore, the international court, in 2012 denied the Poles a claim against Russia over Katyn?
I would like to add - my opinion - the Poles got what they deserved. I don’t feel sorry for them. They were aggressors against the USSR and got exactly what they wanted.
Therefore, if they were shot by the NKVD, I would not care. But the fact is that the NKVD was not involved in their execution.
And the commission proved it. The chief surgeon of the Red Army, academician Nikolai Burdenko, who had previously been engaged (as a member of the ChGK) in investigating Nazi crimes in the Smolensk region, was appointed chairman of the commission.
The other members of the commission were the writer Alexei Tolstoy, Metropolitan Nikolai (Yarushevich), the chairman of the All-Slavic Committee, General Alexander Gundorov, the chairman of the IC of the Soviet Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, Professor Efim Smirnov and Chairman of the Smolensk Regional Executive Committee Roman Melnikov.

 

Your scurrilous accusation makes no sense whatsoever. Why were the Poles attacking the Russians while the Germans were attacking them?

 

The Encyclopedia Britannia is science fiction novel?

https://www.britannica.com/place/Gulag

The encyclopedia estimates 1.5 to 1.7 million deaths and quotes imprisonment figures of approximately 10 million people between 1934 and 1947 with upwards of an additional 5 million imprisoned by1936. My original figure was 25 million between 1918/19 and 1953. Include prisoners of war interned by GUPVI and you get close to the 25 million figure which I just took from Wikipedia.

To quote: 'Figures supposedly compiled by the Gulag administration itself (and released by Soviet historians in 1989) show that a total of 10 million people were sent to the camps in the period from 1934 to 1947. The true figures remain unknown.'

So add in prisoners of war and people imprisoned from 1919 onward through the thirties and you get close to the 25 million quoted by wiki (which is an estimate BTW) since the real figures will probably never be known.

An no, as far as I recall you never asked me repeated for historical documents. That must have been someone else. But the good news? Unlike you I do provide links to all my sources when refuting your other outlandish claims.

 

Are you asking me this? Maybe you had better ask the Poles about this? You can also ask them about the Hitler-Pilsudski pact of February 24, 1934. Ask them about the occupation of Russian lands in western Belarus. Or ask them about the Polish plans for a Greater Poland from sea to sea. There you will listen to the real abominations.

 

Encyclopedia Britannica is no better than Wikipedia. That is, it is not an authority on politics and history.
I don’t understand why you are using such nonsense as arguments? Show the document, do not show ridiculous and biased articles.
There is no trustworthy source in the article at your link. That is, there are no links to historical documents.
Next time, either show the historical document, or admit that you lied.

 

Nazi and communist propaganda, do Russians ever learn?

 

It was Hitler who learned from the Americans. Here's a new topic http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-in-the-united-states.589736/#post-1072756330

 

To be expected:

 

The Grapes of Wrath was about the Oakies who left Oklahoma because of the dust storms. They settled in California and survived. The movie was a big thing in the Soviet Union to show the bad side of our economic system which Frankly Roosevelt remedied to a certain extent with his New Deal.

I don't like today's economic system because I believe in free enterprise, and our Democratic Party ended that with their regulations and taxes on small business'. Our Federal government, which according to our Constitution was to concede all rights to the States unless specified, has become much too powerful and it's to the detriment of the freedom and rights of the American people.

We're supposed to have monopoly laws, yet I see the same mega corporations buying up every successful business, and throwing the other ones into bankruptcy. Massive inheritance taxes have destroyed the individual farmers, so the lands were bought up by the agri corporations decades ago. Now Bill Gates, another product of our failed monopoly laws, has bought up much of our farmlands.

Globalism is fine to a certain extent, I mean everyone likes their luxuries and cheap goods, but the interdependency of one area and nation on another is frightening. I see it as means of control by advocates such as George Soros and other ideologues of a one world government. If no one can survive independently, then people can be easily managed since everyone will be dependent on others for their sustenance and survival.

To me that is slavery.

 

I don't know much about the situation before WWII, but I see the Poles and the other Baltic states as being very foolish people. Germany and France see the dire situation with Russia and are trying to remedy it, and here we have Britain and The Netherlands, continuing to go against Russia because of their connections to our deep state.

Then there are the Swedes who never got over their humiliation by Peter the Great, as well as Poland, Lithuania, who want to restore their former empire and power by expanding into Russian lands.

There is also Latvia and Estonia with their own grievances real or imaginary, and all of these nations, that is with the exception of Britain, will be on the front lines of a future war. Who and what is blinding them to that reality?

 

Stalin was not a Saint, but he was a punishment for the Bolsheviks who had overthrown Russia's Tsarist government, as well as punishment for the Nazi invaders. Did he have a change of heart during the war, after all he did open the churches? Probably!

 

Inevitable:

 

So an world famous encyclopedia that employs a staff of professional editors and depends on its financial survival for the publication of accurate information is not credible but your (unlinked) sources are? And apparently the figures released in 1989 by Soviet historians complied from the Gulag authorities own records (albeit incomplete) totaling 10 million prisoners in Gulags during the period in question is also unreliable?

OK here's another article all the original documents are linked listed at end. Since they're in Russian there's no point in me looking them up. You want the originals? There's the list, look them up yourself.

https://journals.openedition.org/chs/1014

And when you say trustworthy what you really means is that only the sources you rely on and which tell you exactly what you want to hear are 'truthful'.

I assume however you have now retracted your other outlandish claims about the Dustbowl etc having been presented with the relevant facts. Now we only have this one issue to deal with which seems to have struck a little close to home.

I realize Russian 'patriots' like yourself might find the truth a little hard to deal with especially now that Putin is trying to airbrush any negative elements of Russian history from public view by ALL nations including have their dark pasts that they are obliged to acknowledge and deal with. Time you did the same.

 

The children probably died from a cholera or smallpox epidemic.

Lots of people were dying from that at that time and native people were especially vulnerable because they did not have immune system resistance to those diseases.

(Diseases couldn't spread in ancient societies as well if they would quickly kill everyone in the area who became infected. So Europeans only continued to carry the diseases that their bodies had some resistance too, but this was not true for other populations)

 

I wonder who your doctor is?
Am I explaining incomprehensibly? Or are you unable to comprehend what you read?
I will try again. I don’t need to give links to fantastic stories, to someone’s opinion, to ridiculous satyas ... and the like.
I ask you - give a link to a real historical document. For example, on the photo of the order of Stalin, Dzherzhinsky or Molotov. Or show me a link to a photo document from a Politburo meeting on the shooting of anyone. In other words, give me a document of historical significance.
All of your links that you showed earlier are the same as links to alleged "proof" of the presence of aliens in the US government.
For example, I read on some a site where they claimed that Trump is an alien. So what? Based on your comments, would you believe it?
Once again, the proof is a link to a photo document. Everything. Your opinions, assumptions or fantasy stories .... leave for your family. You can also discuss Trump's alien with them.

 

As for Britannica.
For example. This is a map from the Encyclopedia Britannica.


What immediately catches the eye on this map are the inscriptions RUSSIA and MUSCOVITE TARTARY. Look, I underlined the inscription RUSSIA with a blue line, and the inscription MUSCOVITE TARTARY with a red line.
RUSSIA is undoubtedly Russia. So the capital is visible to Petersburgh. By the way, I wonder why not St. Petersburg?
There are familiar names of cities: Narva, Pleskow (apparently, Pskov), Ladoga, Archangel (Arkhangelsk), Jeraslaw (apparently, Yaroslavl), Wologda (Vologda), Muscow (Moscow), Rezan (Ryazan) and etc.
But what is MOSCOW TARTARY? Is it possible that some country is on a par with Russia?
We find the answer in the list of countries in the world - yes, this is a country !!!
(Top of the list of countries in the world in the first Encyclopedia Britannica. Shown are capitals, area in square miles, distance to London ...)

Continuation of the list of countries in the world in Europe and Asia.


Look, in the list of European countries at number 9 we see the country Russia with the capital Petersburgh (Petersburg), and in the list of Asian countries at number 7 there is the name of the country Tartary.
Therefore, your links to Encyclopedia Britannica look ridiculous.


And by the way, the story of the ridiculous Encyclopedia Britannica is an example for you how to show evidence.

I will repeat once again - The evidence is real, it is photos and documents. And the links that you show to the opinions and assumptions of all sorts of crazy people are not interesting to me.

 

No you moron you don't. But you do have to give links to the documents you are using to support your claims e.g the Dust bowl and US prison camps at the end of WW2.

I provided links to valid websites. You provide no links. I provided links to studies which include lists of documents relied on as source material. You don't. Those documents are in Russian! I don't speak Russian, you do. You've got the documents titles, their authors and the dates they were written/published. Look the originals up yourself.

P.S.And I never mentioned Trump or aliens. Looks like once again you've been caught out kneeling down to kiss Putin's ****. And you cant cope with being revealed for what you are.

 

I understand that you have no proof, and therefore, from ridiculous attempts to get out, giving ridiculous links, you turned to insults. And this confirms once again - you are lying.

 

Read my links. Where are yours Troll?

 

It wasn't just these diseases. A child could get strep throat and with the loss of appetite and the limited fruits and vegetables in the winter, they wouldn't have the nutrition their body needed to fight the disease. Before antibiotics and intravenous feeding, the death toll among children in poor areas was enormous. Where my father came from, people were lucky if half their children survived.

I read that most of the deaths occurred before 1940 and by 1950 there weren't any more deaths. This corresponds to the advent of antibiotics. Yet these things are not mentioned deliberately, that way the public would think that the deaths were intentional.

It is really an attack on the Catholic Church and Christianity on a whole.

 

I guess they were real brats. Just joking! They are adorable though, and I can understand a mother willing to make the sacrifice so their children could have a better chance in life.

Maybe their father died, and she fell into prostitution and didn't want them to be raised in that environment. Then again maybe she was sick or dying herself and she didn't want them to end up in an orphanage. We don't know.!

Not as bad though as in the Balkans, where children were actually sold into slavery, something that was allowed in the Ottoman Empire so they could feed their other children.