Reverend Pompeo, The False Prophet

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  1. precision

    precision Well-Known Member

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    Reverend Mike Pompeo, the current US Secretary of State, has recently self appointed himself to the position of a Holy pontiff of the truth with this statement:

    However, he then proceeds to engage in this deceit

    His deceit can be easily exposed by noting the following facts

    1. The Trump administration turned a blind eye to the brutal murder of Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi by Saudi Arabia.

    2. The Trump administration has supported Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights, in blatant violation of international law.

    3. The US overthrew the democratically elected Mohammad Mosaddegh in Iran.

    Therefore Mike Pompeo is not a messenger of the truth, but a messenger of deceit. Does he not know that Jesus said that Satan is the father of deceit?
     
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    Quite frankly things are much more peaceful there today then when he took office. The prior admin left the world on fire
     
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    Quite frankly things were a lot more peaceful there before "Dubya", Rumsfeld, and Cheney decided to overthrow Saddam. Things went downhill from there.
     
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    You’re kidding right? Ever hear of the Talbain? Saddam and his constant threat to his neighbors? You don’t remember the 90s I guess and his constant threats to the United States as well? His attempted assassination of a former president?
     
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    I'd say things went down hill! Somehow the democrats managed to elect Obama, twice, and Trump has been busy cleaning up that mess ever since. Nothing like running guns to 'freedom fighters' AKA TERRORISTS in the M.E. to try to overthrow a democratically elected leader in Syria.

    This didn't go like what you thought, did it?
     
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    No I think you don't remember the 90s. Perhaps you don't remember that the US ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie told Saddam the following

    Yep, old James Baker. Amazing.
     
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    Trump is no more than a clown that is ignored by the people with power in the administration. John Bolton and Mike Pompeo run US foreign policy.
     
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    Yep but then they invaded Kuwait and the world responded. I also. Fail to see how the Iraqi army invading Kuwait is somehow a sign that things were peaceful prior to W
     
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    The problem with your position is that you have not explained why, despite the fact that the US knew that Saddam was amassing troops at the Kuwait border, did James Baker instruct the US ambassador to Iraq to tell Saddam that the Kuwait issue is not associated with the US.
     
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    That’s actually just one part of the transcript. You’ve failed to establish how Iraqis massing troops to invade is somehow a sign of peacefulness in the region prior to W
     
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    The last thing we need is religious zealots in positions of power.

    Pompeo suggests God sent Trump to save Israel

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/pompeo-suggests-god-sent-trump-save-israel-n986136

    These nuts are responsible for disastrous decisions they think are being directed by the cloud fairy.

    George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
     
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    It is a key and very important part of the transcript. Again, what is your explanation for James Baker wanting to emphasize this point to Saddam, despite knowing that Saddam is amassing troops at the border with Kuwait?

    What it establishes is that there is reason to suspect that the H. W. Bush administration baited Saddam into attacking Kuwait so that it could have a reason to invade Iraq.
     
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    Prior to that she said it was very concerning. Moreover they thought it was a border issue, not that they were going to try and take the entire nation. Interesting conspiracy theory nonetheless
     
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    To my knowledge, Saddam never said he was annexing the entire nation of Kuwait. Unlike the Israel occupation and subsequent annexation of the Golan Heights.
     
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    He would have he won like the Israelites
     
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    Hard to know for sure. This suggests it was a miscalculation.

    "Interviews with dozens of Administration officials, lawmakers and independent experts and a review of public statements and the Iraqi document show that instead of sending Mr. Hussein blunt messages through public and private statements that an invasion would be unacceptable, the State Department prepared equivocal statements for the Administration about American commitments to Kuwait.

    Arab Assurances on Invasion

    The American strategy, carried out primarily by the State Department but approved by the White House, was based on the assumption that Iraq would not invade and occupy Kuwait. President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt and King Fahd of Saudi Arabia, who assured the Bush Administration that Mr. Hussein would not invade, argued that the best way to resolve an inter-Arab squabble was for the United States to avoid inflammatory words and actions."

    https://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/23/...ittle-reason-not-to-mount-kuwait-assault.html

    As we know, it wouldn't be the first time a Bush miscalculated circumstances in Iraq. Being greeted with candy and flowers soon morphed in the disastrous occupation and the violent insurgency.
     
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    The point is that you cannot put forward a statement by Saddam in which he makes clear his intention to annex Kuwait. Not only that, but if the Kuwait issue was so concerning to the Bush administration, why did they not clearly state that the US would respond militarily to any attempt by Saddam to occupy Kuwait?
     
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    Sure why would he state that? Look at his actions he invaded. They stated they were concerned in the same transcript you sited earlier, you just didn’t quote that part. Moreover it wasn’t just the USA but a coalition from all around the world
     
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    Or perhaps the point is we can't afford to have reckless nitwits making foreign policy based on faith and not fact.
     
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    Yes it is hard to know for sure, especially when you are dealing with liars. Therefore I said we have reason to suspect. Recall the following deceit

    https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p01s02-wosc.html
     
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    I am going to say again, the fact is that the US knew that Saddam had amassed troops at the border, and instead of making it clear that the US would not tolerate an invasion and occupation, instead choose to emphasize that the Kuwait issue was not a concern of the US.
     
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    That is a point as well. However, it is also a point that the US shares part of the blame for the chaos that exists in the Middle East. The overthrow of Saddam was not a stabilizing force in the Middle East.
     
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    Read all the transcripts.
     
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    Strange OP. Democrats don't believe Trump is really a Christian, but Pompeo is too Christian. .Just how do democrats determine who is just right in their religion?
     
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    The Taliban was in Afghanistan, not Iraq. Before the US invaded, neither Al Queda, not any other terrorist group was operating in Iraq. Saddam saw them and other religious extremists as a threat to his personal power, and so he kept them out of the county. It wasn't until the US invaded that groups like Al Queda were able to infiltrate the country, and ISIS was formed directly from the vacume of power created by Saddam's overthrow and the weak puppet government Bush had put in Saddam's place.
     

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