Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. emerges as frontrunner among declared 2024 Democrats

I would be interested in reading his saying that in context, if you would be so kind as to show it.

Climate change is natural, real and incessant. That humans can do much about it is a fallacy. From earth we can observe climate change on other planets in our solar system.

The idea that CC caused by man is going to end the world is a fallacy brought by politicians and special interest groups.

 

It's actually the best argument of socialism and communism. If you cite the environment in support of your policies, there is not retort that is acceptable.

You will note that many Democrats cite the Chinese as their environmental role models despite the fact that they are opening new coal fired electric plants on a regular basis. A few years ago, someone described the environmentalists as "watermelons," green on the outside, red on the inside.

 

I've watched several interviews with him and to be honest, he seems a little too level-headed to succeed on the left. If he did win by some miracle I'd feel much safer than I would under another 4 years under Xo-Bi-Den

 

Both my parents were JFK Democrats, my pops passed ashamed of them and my momz still kicking "Bay area" thinks they're all nuts today

 

Perfect.

 

Ya the 70 years of ghetto construction and corralling of the negro is a testament to their achievements and the war on poverty..

Let us not forget the new Democrat achievements

 

My parents were Republican and voted for JFK. Different times my friend

 

Putting your country first is racist?
News to me
Yet just about everything Democrat claim to dislike is racist, so theres that

 

Ya he was popular, he'd never make it as a democrat today, he be despised..

 

But he could just be the safety valve the Dems are looking for to get out of their Biden/Harris dilemma. Much better than obscure Williamson or just announcing Biden won't run but Harris will.

Anybody else out there?

 

Obviously, you don't give much attention to Democratic politicians; or else, you have an idiosyncratically unique idea, of what constitutes "level headed" thinking. Have you ever heard of Colorado Senator Michael Bennett, who ran in the 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary? How about Ohio's multi-term serving, Senator Sherrod Brown? Could you possibly distinguish for us, which ideas of Kennedy's make him seem "too level-headed to succeed on the Left," as well as which ones make Bennett & Brown, not too level-headed to succeed?

 

Sorry bud, most don't go in for word twisting and redefining definitions to make points. First the left claims schools are banning books, now its banning abortions. But you think redefining the English language makes your point? It doesn't. Over reacting only makes the people that don't believe the way you do, dig in their heels.

Apparently there are more people who are opposed to abortions than you thought. When you have groups of people aborting more babies than are being born, its become the new birth control method and/or late term abortions. Not acceptable.

While I don't believe stopping all early abortions is the answer, the industry has abused the abortion laws for years so what you are seeing now is the reaction to the barbaric abuse thats been going on for decades.

I also believe if the left wasn't always making some headline about abortions and falsifying what was going on with Planned Parenthood, we wouldn't even be here, Census results revealed that Planned Parenthood was targeting minority neighborhoods. 79% of its surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic/Latino neighborhoods.

And not one mention coming from the left on the post abortion problems. Why? Because they don't care. The only reason Democrats seem to fake what they care about, is for a political agenda. You know how easy it is to see through Democrats, all you have to do is listen.

They whine about womens rights to get womens votes. While at the same time offer NO support or even a hint of post abortion support. As a matter of fact, the only people providing post abortion support are crisis pregnancy centers that the left wants to shut down just because some women decide not to have an abortion if they visit one.

There is NOTHING the left provides for crisis pregnancy issues yet they want to shut down crisis pregnancy facilities who provide, baby food, maternity clothing, baby cloths, car seats, high chairs, cribs. all for free, just because they are pro life.

They fake this whine about school shootings and how they care about the children, yet rally against having an armed officer on location for their own anti gun agenda.

They fake this whine about caring about children while supporting the abortion abuses on live fetuses.

So you can stop with Democrats holier than thou attitudes about abortions. Isn't it you claiming that almost half the states are banning abortions?
Sounds like abortion abuse isn't as popular as you want it to be.

 

Could you even imagine the melt downs if JFK was running as a Democrat today stating abortions are repugnant, while being an NRA member stating armed citizens must be prepared to be called to action.

 

To reiterate the point which somehow escaped, at least your retention, if not also your notice: it is exclusively in Republican Party dominated states, in which the legislators have pushed through bans-- not the voters. The greatly disappointing midterms, for the GOP, was just the first sign of how unhappy the people in those states are, with the "small government" Republicans, voting for all this government intrusion into women's healthcare issues. Keep watching for more backlash, at the 2024 polls.

 

BOOM, you nailed it! You are absolutely 100% correct that I've never heard of those other 2 politicians which means they were too LEVEL HEADED to make it to the democrat spotlight.
Thank you for validating my theory.

 

Putting one's country first is not racist.

But that slogan, based on the two political movements that misappropriated it, has become an ugly moniker for the racists who throw it around.

Irony of it all is that so many who spew the slogan, first among them criminal defendant Trump, very much hate the USA. It's sad.

 

Actually, all that you just validated was that, as I'd surmised, you pay no attention to what the Democrats are actually saying & doing. It is not surprising you haven't heard of the people I'd mentioned, if you draw all your "facts" from the FOX, OAN, Newsmax, & Breitbart wells. But with all those sources, & more, it does not make you even moderately well informed, on American politics, in general.

Bennett got a lot of exposure, in the early Primaries, and was in a number of the Democratic debates. He had actually been my 3rd choice, for the pragmatic moderation, of his approach. Your saying that you've never heard of him, shows your unqualified status, as a criticizer of Democratic politics.

Sherrod Brown, however, is a much better known figure. Before the Primaries, he'd been the potential candidate, that Democrats were hoping would run, because of the way he could speak the language of the everyman; although his voting record showed him to be fairly liberal, he has been consistently popular, in Red Ohio, thanks to people really understanding, from where he was coming; how the issues he was voting on, actually affected his constituents. He decided, however, that he didn't want to put his family through the gauntlet of media attention, garnered by the family of any Presidential candidate. So, like Mario Cuomo, before him, Brown begged off on that highly sought after run, for our highest office.

 

FACT
"moderate" democrats no longer stand a chance in their party.
Your little attempt at a snub just validated my point even further.
This is why most of the left hates Tulsi. She isn't LOCO enough for them.
I'm looking forward to your next reply.
The ONLY way to prove me wrong is for them to actually elect a MODERATE as president

 

As I initially noted, it is important for you to define what qualifies as a "moderate," to you. By the standard definition, most considered Biden a moderate, before he assumed the Presidency. That, in fact, was a big factor, in why he'd been chosen (as opposed to very liberal Bernie Sanders). Some would even still consider Biden to be a moderate, though I will admit that he has been far more liberal than I had expected.

There are two things which aren't clear, that you understand. First, is that the classification as "moderate," is nothing that can be appraised in a vacuum. One must know both the far right, and far left perspectives, in order to gauge which political footings qualify pols, as moderates. Secondly, moderates include members of both Parties. That does not mean that moderate Republicans, and moderate Democrats, always agree. IOW, there is not checklist of views that you or anyone could legitimately say, one needed to mark off, to be considered a moderate.

Think of the Moderates, then, as a microcosm of the wider spectrum, which envelopes them. That is, while there might be the rare centrist Moderate, most are either Moderate Right-- like perhaps Governor Larry Hogan-- or Moderate Left-- like Senator Bennett. The reasons that Tulsi Gabbard was not chosen as the Democratic nominee, are many, but one of them is not because she was too moderate.

For one thing, she was very short on political experience which, as we saw in especially Barak Obama's first term, is extremely important to one's being able to lead, most effectively. Gabbard's sympathies also seem to align more with Putin, than with Ukraine, which is a more unpopular view, on the Democratic side, than it is, among Republicans. If you had wanted to give a better example of a "moderate" whose resume might speak to her being a serious contender, you would have gone with Senator Amy Klobuchar (assuming, of course, that you have heard of her). Ultimately, though, the reason she did not win was because, IMO, she was not seen as though she would be the most confident & effective leader, or the most competent campaigner: she, like Gabbard, was also not the strongest candidate.

Clearly, Biden had been the best choice-- and I say that in admission, that he'd not even made my list, of preferred candidates. But he qualified much better as a moderate, on the Dem side, than Trump qualified as one, on the Republican side. This is where the ignorant and fictional aspect of your point, comes into prominent relief. It is Republicans who are most promoting radical candidates. FYI, Bill Clinton was, overall, a moderate. Barak Obama has said, himself, that if it were still the 1980s, he would be considered a moderate Republican. In many respects, one could say that losing candidate John Kerry, had been a moderate. Believing that we need deal with Global Warming, does not disqualify one, at least in the popular view, from being considered as a moderate. There are a few moderate Republicans, who also appreciate the pragmatic arguments, for this, though you are perhaps not so familiar with them, either. IOW, it isn't that Dems don't go for moderates, the problem is that you wouldn't recognize an actual moderate, if he tripped over you.

 

Perfect!

 

Oh, you were making some Trump basing thing. lol
I hate to be the one who informs you, but the statement isn't racist because you think racist say it. lol
The statement speaks for itself.
But like I said before, and you seem to prove it now, just about anything Democrats don't like these days are magically racist.

 

First you claim its exclusively in Republican states, then you claim it isn't the voters?
You do make me laugh out loud. But I will take a small break and get you clued in.

Voters who vote for a party, are somewhat familiar of what the party represents. Like in Republican states.
Are you following thus far?
Then, there are these things called elections. And if the peoples representatives don't do as the voters requested, they vote them out.
The current legislators were voted in by a Republican base.
And those same Republicans who were voted in to support their constituency, will continue to vote as they were elected for or they will be replaced.

But you have somehow drifted into some kind of new bubble, where you now think, Oh, all these republicans, who vote republican, that were against Roe vs wade, somehow support your every thought on abortion, because their legislators did it?
I really can't stop laughing. Really

If its not word and definition twisting, now its how much you know all republicans, in these exclusively abortion banned states, are all voting with you. OMG, If I didn't read that for myself I would have never believed anyone would actually post it.

You mean the midterms where 4 Democrats were kicked out in New York to claim 4 new Republican seats in the House in a democrat ruled state?
Or the little Republican Truck driver with no budget unseated the New Jersey long term incumbent?
Only a Democrat would claim, we only lost by so much so we actually won.

Not only do Republicans have the house, but it was the idiotic average narrow minded Democrats who also lost the SCOTUS where 3 new Republican judges (who actually know the definition of what a woman is) has now claimed seats. I guess when those same idiotic DC Democrats were trying to get their woke judges confirmed, and decided to change the required vote for confirmation from 60 to 50, they didn't have the intelligence to know how that would bite them in the ass later on.

And in your imagination, you think this country is going to vote for a Democrat president given the current accounting of what a Democrat leadership looks like
HISTORICAL inflation
HISTORICAL gas prices
HISTORICAL grocery prices
HISTORICAL illegal immigration
HISTORICAL crime rates

I guess everyone has a dream
HISTORICAL

 

Not only am I following-- I'm ahead of you, in the B.S. argument you are going to present, that when voters voted those Representatives' into office, they did so, expecting this to happen. Bullfeathers! No one believed there was a chance of Roe being overturned (except the most radical, Pro-Lifers). The only way that your bullshit theory would apply, would be if those legislators had held off on any legislation, until the midterm elections, and then made their intended restrictions on abortion, central to their campaigns. In point of fact, though, most Republicans did their best to HIDE from the abortion issue, in the '22 election. And those who ran on it, got trounced at the polls.

The other earnest option, if legislators were in too great a hurry, to wait until November, would be to hold a special election on that one ballot question, as a number of states, such as Kansas, Kentucky, Montana & Michigan, did. But in all those times it was put to the people, the people of even the most conservative states, voted it down. So your long explanation, was just a waste of rhetorical breath, on your part. It is well known that a decisive majority of citizens, including even a slight majority of Republicans, are against the kind of prohibitions, being enacted across the country. Your attempts to argue otherwise (since you seem oblivious to this), are nothing but an embarrassment,
to you.

Which is why-- and I feel confident that this is not the first time I have explained this to you-- the Republicans did not see the "Red Wave," that they'd predicted. In fact, they lost ground, in a number of legislatures, including in swing state Michigan's. Not only that but, despite having to work against Republican gerrymandered districts, the Democrats achieved full control over both that state's legislative chambers, and Governor Witmer was returned to her position, holding all the reigns of power for the first time in modern history! More of that, to come, in 2024-- stay tuned!



P.S.-- I'll have to try to save your laughable post, so I can use it to explain to you, the shellacking of Republicans, next year.


BTW, speaking of people not being "clued in," you screwed up my quote box, in your reply. This is what you'd "quoted:"

DEFinning said: ↑
To reiterate the point which somehow escaped, at least your retention, if not also your notice: it is exclusively in Republican Party dominated states, in which the legislators have pushed through bans-- not the voters.
So now you have magically become unfamiliar with how voters vote.
<End Snip>

Of course, that last (bolded) sentence, is your own; they are not my words, but somehow you put them within my quote. IOW, "now you have magically become unfamiliar with how," Political Forum works.

I've seen that happen when the quoted person leaves a big gap, between their last line, and the end of their quote. But this is not what happened, here, since you'd only snipped the beginning of my quote. So it seems that you have your hands full, just trying to master the mechanics of using this forum-- no need for you to speak down to me, as if I need your instruction, about how elections work; save your strength.

 

Yet Republicans won the House. lol

Not really sure what planet your imagination comes from, but unfortunately, the dates don't support your magical theories.
RVW was overturned in June of 2022.
Republican states already had legislation in place for when RVW was overturned. And it was a HUGE media event so where you got this imaginary idea that they were lurking around hiding it, is just pure fantasy on your part.
Thirteen states have so-called "trigger laws" on the books, in which abortion would be swiftly outlawed once Roe was overturned.
Yet everyone but you knew this?
And Republicans were running on it

As far as I remember, it wasn't until November when Republicans won the house even with Democrats running on the abortion issue.

Apparently, everyone else on the planet (Accept you of course) already knew what states would move to ban abortions and it became public knowledge for everyone (But you apparently) 5 months prior to midterms.

CBS News
With Roe v. Wade overturned, which states would restrict or protect abortion rights?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roe-v-wade-overturn-trigger-laws-supreme-court-abortion-states-rights/

As a matter of fact, the removal of Roe vs Wade was the number one topic of every Democrat running for misterms.

NPR
What we know (and don't know) about how abortion affected the midterms
https://www.npr.org/2022/11/25/1139...lections-2022-republicans-democrats-roe-dobbs

August 24, 2022
Can the abortion issue save Democrats in the 2022 midterm elections?
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixg...save-democrats-in-the-2022-midterm-elections/

So just like all you magical JKF imagination theories got washed down the pipes, so does your imagination theories about

Imagination Fail #1
They were already putting legislation in place prior to the SCOTUS decision

Imagination Fail #2
As legislation was already in place before Roe was turned over and implemented the day it was turned over.
Just WTF have you been. lol

Imagination Fail #3

Where Republican Midterm Candidates Really Stand on Abortion
Setting the record straight on 79 competitive Senate, House, and gubernatorial hopefuls.
https://www.thecut.com/article/2022-midterms-republican-candidates-abortion-records.html

Republicans could advance the 15-week national abortion ban Senator Lindsay Graham has proposed if they win control. Governors, meanwhile, will determine abortion access in their states.

How in the **** did you ever come up with the idea that the abortion issue was being hidden when it was front page news most every day leading up to the midterms.

Sorry, these run away imagination ideas of how you perceive how the abortion issue was hidden, just goes to show you will say almost anything for a political point even in the face of actual dates and evidence.
Its funny thought. I am entertained.

But according to you, any time limit on abortions is a ban. Right? Isn't that your big claim these days?

So lets look at you next claim.

(In these states as you claim)
Imagination Fail #4
So this is what you call voting it down?
Kansas Abortion law
Abortion is legal in Kansas through viability. Thereafter, abortion is legal only if the life of the mother is at risk.
Kentucky Abortion law
Abortion is completely banned in Kentucky with very limited exceptions because of a Kentucky law that went into effect July 15, 2022.
Montana Abortion law
Montana law prohibits abortion at twenty weeks LMP
Michigan Abortion law
it a felony to administer an abortion to a pregnant woman unless deemed necessary to preserve the life of the woman, and another that makes it a misdemeanor to sell or advertise medication for an abortion.

So according to YOU, thats what the people voted for in those states.

You can't even do it with real facts and dates. Now you're going to do it with your imagination again. lol

 

Although true in what you said, times were different then. Both parties were anti-communist, just differed how to confront communism both domestically and abroad. JFK was pragmatic, very well-read, and had an intuition to know what the other side was probably thinking. HE reduced the top marginal rate from 92% to 70% and believed it will decrease the risk of inflation with the use of fiscal policy while confronting Communism first in Korea, and eventually in a place called Vietnam. The two sides only differed in the solution but recognized the same problem. Today, not so much. GOP won't even recognize the problem and try to make excuses for certain things while the Dems are still using the same tactics and methodology as JFK did when he was President.