Ron Paul: Muslim extremists do not go to Switzerland and Sweden

No, you didn't say it. I was following your previous post to its logical conclusion.

If you suddenly don't feel confident enough in your comment, you certainly left enough wiggle room to get out.

FDR was already under a lot of pressure to get involved in Europe even before Japan bombed us. I believe we would have gotten involved regardless of Hitler's declaration of war.

 

maybe mabye not FDR WANTED to be involved but had a hard time convincing the people it was important. Tell the truth I dont know what would have happened with the world if Germany had taken over all of Europe. It would have been bad for the Jewish people and anyone differant and the USA would not be a super power.


But that does not change the fact that we cannot stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon unless we invade. At this point it has gone to far and I doubt we can afford another war. Niether do I think we need to fight one even if we could afford it.

 

Paul is half-right.

Half of the reason why radicals hate us is because of interventionism.

The other half is because of propaganda. The propaganda side of the situation is what makes any Western society a target.

So, Paul's got half of the policymaking right: stay out of most conflicts.

The other half is restricting immigration from certain countries.

 

You said, "we wouldn't have gotten involved in Europe during WWII and we would have probably lost that war." Obviously, that can't be the same "we."

 

Well, Ron Paul wants to do that too: PAUL URGES RESTRICTIONS ON STUDENT VISAS
IN HOMELAND DEFENSE BILL

 

Hmmm... good call.

 

Since Germany was more interested in conquering Eastern Europe, it probably would have ended up in a war with the USSR, just as happened in reality. One of them would have lost and the winner would have been weakened.

 

It honestly just amazes me that there are so many non-military in the United States who are so adamant about invading another nation after ten straight years of war. We can attribute it to so many different factors and none of them are flattering.

A full decade of war is a long time. I would think that after so many years of conflict the realities of war would be more apparent to people and they would be less enthusiastic about sending people into another one that isn't necessary solely to pretend they're playing international power-politics with the big boys.

They aren't.

Iran is going to be able to mount a reasonable defense that a sanction ravaged Iraq was incapable of. It isn't going to be a walk over. It will inflame the Muslim world much more than the overthrow of Saddam ever did and it's going to likely set the Chinese, the Russians, and various other nations into some sort of alliance against us that may result in serious conflict.

The whole thing has the potential to get completely out of control.

So for non-military to be in such full favor of the war propaganda and an invasion is nothing short of astonishing.

 

Of all of the current GOP candidates only 1..thats right ONE has had the guts to actually serve in the US military and that person was Ron Paul.

He is the ONE candidate that has actually experienced combat and the things it can do to our young men and women and it just astonishes me that people give him so much crap for being careful with their lives.

But hey, you folks who are so eager to sacrifice the lives of other people can keep on supporting the Neo-Con agenda...I for one and I am sure the majority of Ron Paul supporters will be writing his name in the general election if he does not get the nod as he is the only one with the experience we need to save this country.

 

Yes, we all know Ron Paul supporters would rather have 4 more years of Obama than vote for a "Neo-con" (whatever that is — probably just a name for non-Ron Paul supporters). The combination of hero worship and self-righteousness will cause you to rationalize Obama's 2nd term as punishment against the country for not voting for your guy.

 

Actually, Rick "the Brain" Perry was in the Air Force.

 

Ron Paul is the only one who served our Military. Hell, I would bet that you are not a veteran yourself, yet you are very quick to start wars with any boogey man the TV tells you to be afraid of.

It's sad really, if you don't want Iran to have a nuke and want to do something about it head down to your local recruitment office and sign yourself up. Otherwise kindly sit down and shut up, because if you are not willing to put your life on the line how the HELL can you ask others to do it for you?

 

He is still a candidate?

 

As will I. I will no longer vote for the lesser of two evils the establishment throws out there for the American people to elect. I did that in 2000, and I have regretted that vote ever since.

 

You act like this is something new

 

Interesting stuff when the war mongers get told to put up or shut up.....because they all tend to shut up. I guess that speaks to their moral character.

 

Ron Paul isn't the only one who served in the military, as someone else has already pointed out. Rick Perry has served. George Bush served in the military as well... so has John McCain, so what's your point? Military service doesn't necessarily mean that someone automatically has the best opinion on foreign policy. Most US Presidents who have served do not have Ron Paul's George McGovern type views on foreign policy.

I can ask soldiers to do it because they volunteered to defend the country. Ron Paul only believes intervention should take place when the US mainland is in jeopardy. Screw our allies. Sorry, that's not going to fly with most Americans.

 

Yes. I know how detached Ron Paul supporters are inside their bubble of endless feedback loops, but since he is not 3rd party anymore and wants to be a part of the GOP, he and his supporters should probably stay up to date on current events.

 

Maybe they just get fed up with the nonsensical arguments thrown at them by hero worshiping Ron Paul fans.

 

Obviously the ONLY thing you might understand is military. . .certainly not humanity or PEOPLE!

 

Defend the country and defend the constitution against enemies foreign and domestic......

Not police the world.

 

I was just watching Fox news Special Report with Bret Bair, and it was very ironic that they completely missed the fact that their clip of someone from the international institute strategic studies was saying basically what Ron Paul said last night about not over reacting.

Fox news is so obviously anti Paul that it makes me sick. How about just reporting the facts and let the people form our own opinions?

 

The last ten pages of this thread is a perfect example of what is seriously, seriously wrong with this country.

"I want to invade this country and this country and maybe that country, too, but I don't want to join the military."

If anyone wants to be astonished I highly recommend reading through it.

 

Why do you think they support Republicans?

They don't think people can make their own mind up, so they do what is best for them and make the decision for you.

 

Yes, I know the purpose of a foreign military base. I bet you wish you did before making your last post.