Russian Bounties: Fake News after All

We bombed French/Belgium/Dutch citizens in WW2 along with lots more Germany and Japanese innocent citizens, I take it you mean non-combatants, in order to defeat the Nazi's. Was it the civilized thing to do?

Is being civilized allowing your enemies to destroy you?

 

The media lies with impunity, supplied with lies from our congressmen we assume have an inside track, and yet they lie as a political weapon.

They should be shot, oh, and BTW, Maxine Waters just created a reason to have a mistrial.

 

Where - this thread has gotten almost no traction - the left nowhere to be found.. or are you talking in the Media ?

 

Not sure what Maxi did but yeah .. sad commentary - but with consequences - our foreign policy has been a Train Wreck - 10 Trillion since 911 with negative return on investment .. would have been much better spent on infrastructure -technology - ramping up our economy to compete in the 3rd millennium ..

Healthcare - we pay double - for middle of the road care 3.5 Trillion in 2018 - so thats 1.75 on the table - per year over the last 20 years = Mind blowing amounts of money that could have been used to "make USA Great Again" -

Just maintain the Status Quo - keep the gravy Train flowing into the Military Industrial complex - Healthcare and Insurance Oligopolies - and that is quite the gravy train .. not chump change those figures above.

 

Worse than the blunders are the deliberate misinformation, harassment, assassinations and unconstitutional conduct.

 

not a single 'so what? who cares. Trump bad!' post yet. Did we finally win?

The answer is, of course, no. Ppl still be reading the NYT for their 'news'...

 

Ok, you have a choice:
1 - believe Western intelligence
2 - believe Putin

That's a tough one for you, isn't it? How about the 150,000 Russian volunteers on
Ukraine's border? Or how Putin's enemies mysteriously die?

 

What does volunteers on Ukraine's border have to do with fake news about the Taliban ?

1) it was Western Intelligence that stated there was no substantiation for the rumor -2) which agrees with Putin.

Tough one for you ?

 

I know. It cracks me up every time I see MSM trying to discredit MSM.

 

Must have lost something here. I did not read about the Taliban, sorry.
But in answer to my own question - you believe Western intelligence
because you can talk about it, challenge it, accept or reject it - try that
with Putin, or Xi, or Kim Jong-un.

 

It was not the MSM doing the discrediting - You are confused.

 

Not confused. It was FOX (see the post I responded to), which is one of the biggest MSM players. They do it all the time as if they cannot comprehend that they represent the MSM.

 

The OP mate - its about "fake news" about bounties on US heads supposedly paid by Russia to the Taliban.

and - who would be silly enough to believe US intelligence community Pundits on anything related to the Middle East, China - and especially not Russia given the current propaganda war on Russia.

Time to adjust those bifocals.

 

Fox was reporting what the sources said - who were not the MSM. You are confused

 

When FOX criticizes "MSM" and names CNN, NYT, WaPo etc then they are doing exactly what I said they do on regular bases. Why anyone would deny this is beyond me, but denial seems to be the par for the course with certain people. What makes it even funnier is the fact that when it was in the news last year, FOX was reporting it too.

 

Among other things, being civilized means obeying your founding legal documents. In WWII our leaders DID obey the founding legal document and formally declared war, as it requires.

Note that during these last 20 years, there has been no declaration of war in accordance with the founding documents.

War is hell, and I'm not suggesting otherwise regarding the civilian casualties of WWII. Maybe that's why the founding fathers demanded a declaration.

 

20 years? Last time US declared war was in 1942, which is 79 years ago.

 

Thank you for making the point.

In the name of The Global War Of Terror delivered by our illustrious leaders from both sides of the aisle, there has been no declaration. There has been ONLY military aggression, which is illegal under international law. We slaughter innocents from the air and otherwise at the altar of The Global War Of Terror.

 

You are confused - Fox was reporting on how CNN/MSNBC were lying their faces off w/r to the intelligence on "Russian Bounties"

Should they not report this ?

What is pure denial - is you trying to pretend the story is not true, because Fox reported it - even though a gazillion other sources also reported the same thing..

Lost and confused this is.

 

This must be your #1 'argument' since you keep saying it over and over, and the more you say the more you prove that you don't get the point.

1. FOX Whines about MSM, and do not seem to comprehend they are one of the biggest players in MSM.
2. FOX reported the same story

Was FOX also lying their faces off when they reported it, or where they just reporting the news of that time?

I never said that its not true. The Russian Bounty story was in the news last year, including FOX. You think the "MSM" invented the story, but they didn't. It actually did originate from US Intelligence and now the White House is saying there is no consensus about it. The claim was investigated for months last year so its not like everyone bough tit. My point is that FOX is trying to pretend they didn't report it like everyone else, and that it was some kind of MSM conspiracy. Heck, Tucker Carson disagrees with the FOX hacks by saying the story was invented by the US intelligence / Pentagon to make the case for staying in Afghanistan. Now Biden wants out of Afghanistan too, so he calls the report "not conclusive". Is he saying it to remove an argument for staying? I don't know, but it would not surprise me. You need to be more critical about what you hear.

Oh, look, - your favorite 'argument' again.

Make it about the poster when all else is lost.

 

It looks like many readers think that deceptive US propaganda is something relatively new in US history when, in fact, lies intended to demonize America's opponents date back to at least WW 2 if not earlier.

America's propaganda agency during WW 2 was called the Office of War Information (OWI) and one of its most durable lies is that the WW 2 Germans used homicidal gas chambers to execute their victims(1).
Polish propagandists claimed that homicidal steam chambers were used while the Soviets claimed that homicidal electrocution was the primary means of execution in the German run camps.(2)

As the OP states: "Once again our Media and "Intelligence Community" turn out to be propaganda central." Any independent thinking student of history must remember that propaganda is as timeless as it is universal.


(1) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.


(2) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED

 

The Taliban thing sounds fake. And many observers have said as much.
Re propaganda war against Russia - let's take a guess how long before
Russians won't have access to international internet?
You don't need 'propaganda' to see what Russia is doing - the govt often
admits to it, such as the figure of 50% Russian hospitals not having hot
running water - and you make inferences that Russia's Military Industrial
Complex is sucking the life out of the economy.

 

Maybe instead of gas chambers the Nazis just clubbed or shot six million Jews to death?
They did SOMETHING to the Jews (plus POW's, gypsies etc) 'cos millions were around in
1939 and gone in 1945. I believe what the Nazis said they did, corroborated by the Soviets
and Americans, and survivors too.

 

I keep repeating "your confused" because indeed you were trying to discredit the story on the basis that Fox reported it - now you backtrack - disingenuously claiming "I never said it is not true" when that is exactly what you were inferring..

Then - when called out on your Ad Hom fallacy - you accuse me of Ad hom fallacy for pointing out your error.

This is confusion mate.

 

The Taliban thing was "Fake" - and the Dems knew it was "Fake" - but went around claiming it was defacto true - and called Trump a Traitor for not doing anything about it.

This is not about Russians now having running water - this is about the propaganda clown show we have going on at home.

All the best to the Russian's without water but, I am concerned about things here in the US.