Russian Bounties: Fake News after All

Eeeehhhh....nope. Your comprehension difficulties are not my problem, they are your problem. You didn't get the point (and still don't) so you went into the "you're confused" loop, and you are still in it.

Have a nice day.....mate.

 

Yeah but... Russians without hot water, in the largest and most resource nation on earth, needs questioning.
It's relevant when Russia can field so many tanks, hypersonic missiles, killer satellites, chemical warfare,
anti-ballistic missiles, surface to air missiles, MIG's and Sukhois, and sophisticated Surface to Air technology.
It could one day be aimed at you or your allies.
And Russia has a GDP about that of my country Australia.

 

Of course I am in a loop - your nonsense position crucified and you in complete denial -- over and over.

you were trying to discredit the story on the basis that Fox reported it - now you backtrack - disingenuously claiming "I never said it is not true" when that is exactly what you were inferring..

You see how this works .. I repeat what you did - you name call and try to project your failings onto others - I repeat what you did and so on- until such point as you stop denying the obvious.

 

Russians not having hot water is not relevant to - US Media Fake News propaganda about bounties on US soldiers . sorry mate.

If you wish to talk about these other issues -- all good - just has no relevance to the above. In other threads I have going right now I make points similar to yours.

Russia decreased its funding of military after the cold war - it had to - had no cash could not match the US plane for plane -ship for ship .. and so directed its resources to niche areas .. one of the main ones being anti ship missiles / missile technology - but they make money off this stuff .. same with planes - not in total but its part of the equation.

Russia/India/China have been working together on missile technology for 20 years - and now this technology is proliferating to other nations .. Iran being a notable example.

My argument is that these weapons have rendered our Navy obsolete for the purposes of Attacking the homeland of one of the big 3 , but then point out that this is irrelevant as we will not be attacking the homeland of Russia/China - as this results in nuclear war.

So if it really came down to it ...the homeland of Russia actually threatened by our naval force .. they would shortly after go up in a blaze of Glory - in a mushroom cloud.

The final point then being - the vast majority of our Military apparatus is pointless - as we don't need all this stuff to chase around Al Qaeda or to battle Iran.

 

You don't have to tell (misrepresent) me what I meant by my words, because I know, and so do everyone who reads them.

Go invent another fake argument to "crucify". This is not the first time you play this childish game.

What "story" you are referring to anyway? Seems obvious my point flew a mile over your head, so you try to get personal in order to conceal the fact. The story I was talking about was FOX ripping MSM without realizing they ARE the MSM and they reported the same story.

Snap out of the strawman loop already.

 

But you seem to have gone hook, line, and sinker for the "deep state" BS.

I'll extend your thanks to the folks who risk their necks gathering intelligence for this country.

 

Declaring war in not necessary for taking military action.

 

Fox was not the one doing the discrediting - they were not the source - but this is the source of your confusion perhaps ... I do not know.

What I do know - is that you were trying to discredit this story on the basis that "Fox" - MSM -reported it - giving no other substantiation for your claim.

This is called "Ad Hom" fallacy - attacking the messenger - rather than addressing the message. In this case - Fox is not even the messenger - the messenger is the various sources they are reporting from ..

Your post is a nothing post - fallacy on top of fallacy -

The "Story" is the OP - "Russian Bounties Fake news after all" and all the Congressional Democratic clowns that were knowingly pumping out this false propaganda - and trying to demonize Trump and influence foreign policy on the basis of this rubbish.

None of which has anything to do with "Fox News" other than they reported this story along with a every other news outlet

 

OMG You STILL don't get it. Discrediting what? I said they discredit the MSM, not the 'story'. Ironically FOX do not seem to realize that they are the MSM, so they end up discrediting themselves.

No, you don't know. Either you fail to comprehend what people say, even after numerous clarifications, or you are deliberately misrepresenting other posters comments.

Oh, now you play the victim card. How cute. When I say that you cannot comprehend what people post, I am simply stating a fact, because it is beyond obvious that you're not getting it.

Enough of this childishness. Go invent another fake argument to "crucify". Bu-bue.

 

Go take your gripes about Fox - to a thread that is griping about Fox - Your comment had no bearing on this OP -

We all know that Fox is a perpetuator of Fake news - and is part of the MSM - but in this instance .. the Fake News was not from Fox - it was from the NY-Times and the Democratic Clown show.

 

I already did, and it threw you into a loop. It wasn't meant to do that, but it did. As for the story itself, I already clarified my view about that too in post #45.

 

So innocent citizens do get killed in civil actions and since declarations of war are declared against other recognized countries which country are you suggesting?

 

The FBI/DOJ has been exposed as a corrupt criminal organization. Real reform may be impossible, and that is unfortunate, an FBI acting within the boundaries of the law could have been very useful.


"The FBI worked to create violent confrontations between factions on the radical left. The bureau was prepared in this case to commit violent acts itself. In New York, agents set cars on fire with "Molotov cocktails," making it appear that one faction was attacking another. FBI agents conducted at least five such bombings in 1973 and 1974." THE LAWLESS STATE, The Crimes of the U.S. Intelligence Agencies, Morton H. Halperin, Jerry J. Bermin, Robert L. Borosage, and Christine M. Marwick, Penguin Books, NY, 1977. p. 125.

 

You have thrown no loop - the sum total of your utterance not relevant to the topic - so you are in a loop - trying to project this loopy state onto others.

 

Big Bad Government + Big Bad Business = Corruption Cubed

"The technical term for the philosophy that guides business in its dealings with the state is corporatism - broadly, the management of a nation's markets and politics by companies, unions, other producer groups in their own interests, backed up where necessary by the power of government."
THE SUICIDAL CORPORATION, How Big Business Fails America, Paul H. Weaver, Simon and Schuster Inc. 1988. p 182.

 

So what?

"R. J.. Rummel, a professor emeritus of political science .... has painstakingly compiled statistics accounting for the number of people killed worldwide by "democide," a term he coined to describe governments' intentional killing ... of civilians....

...Rummels books on the subject - particularly "Death By Government" (1994) and "Statistics of Democide" (1997) - provide the most comprehensive estimates currently available, and the ones most often referenced by scholars.

Rummel estimates that from 1900 to 1987 governments murdered almost 170 million people - a figure that far exceeds the 34.4 million battle deaths thought to have resulted from all the international and civil wars fought during the same period....

Democide often occurs under authoritarian regimes... Indeed democratic governments were responsible for only about one percent of the twentieth century's death toll from democide...."
THE ATLANTIC MONTHLY, "The World In Numbers," "Murder By The State," Vol. 292 NO. #4, 11/2003.

 

Putting the hypocrisy of FOX news aside, I told you that the media didn't cook up the story, the US Intelligence and Pentagon did. Why? Because they didn't like the idea of pulling out of Afghanistan, so they were looking to make a case for staying. Or maybe they told the truth. So is Biden downplaying the bounty reports? Its possible, because he wants to pull the troops out, so it would make sense to swipe this inconvenient issue off the table, or under the rug. You are hearing from the MSM that it was all fake news, and you are free to believe it, but I am critical, as usual, because I don't have much faith in the MSM, or politicians.

 

It is not my intention to derail this thread into a discussion about the fraudulent holocaust narrative however there is no more truth to the "6 million Jews murdered" myth than the human skin lampshade, human fat soap, human skin pocketbook, human vaporizer(1), and innumerable other works of fraudulent Allied propaganda for which countless Germans were brutally tortured into confessing then subsequently murdered in numerous post WW2 Soviet style show trials.

Re:

The masterful collective fabrication by the Holocaust Industry, MSM, Hollywood and complicit Allied myth makers that "everybody knows" concerning the alleged murder of "6 million Jews" has absolutely no basis in fact.

It is refuted by Jewish sources(2), all Air Photo evidence(3) and various ground examinations(4), (5) yet millions of people reflexively recite this myth with all the certainty of a trained Pavlovian dog.

I think that it's important to remember that propaganda and / or disinformation is not something that is only done by the "other side"

If you would like to discuss WW 2 and/or the holocaust, please let's do so at an appropriate thread such as:
"About the Holocaust"
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-80





(1)"Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED


(2) "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED


(3) "Air Photo Evidence"
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html
EXCERPT
The Bottom Line

"To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED


(4) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves." CONTINUED


(5) "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves"
https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php


EXCERPT "The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes." CONTINUED

 

I too both don't believe there were human lamp shades or human soap.
The extermination of POW's, Jews, Gypsies & the like evolved into a rather
simple killing and burning process -- as the Germans and survivors gave
testimony too.

 

This is similar to my conception - what I call the "Oligopoly-Bureaucracy Fusion Monster" thanks for the reference - and yes, it is a form of "corporatism" 100% .. the question is what stage relative to the overall wealth equation.

If we look at the pie - which is growing - we find the rate of growth of the elite far outstrips the rate of growth of the overall pie. Put simply - the crumbs that fall to the serfs are getting smaller. This time however it is on a global scale .. the fiends have managed to put off the natural cycle for quite sometime .. have not had a reset pushing the pendulum the other direction.

So what stage ? - When I look at the sheer amount of wealth concentrated in a few families - relative to the sum total of wealth in the world - how much is 100 Trillion dollars ? hard number to quantify accurately but think it is the order of 600 Trillion - don't quote me on that but just to put something out there to relate this number to

And that is in 3 banks .. more like 130 T if we include the investment portion.

and yes - the above club has members on the BOD of every public corporation that matters and ownership or partial ownership of a whole lot of Private companies. Like the Fed

 

Not sure why you did not say this up front.. is a plausible - and in fact likely possibility that this was cooked up by the intelligence agency - as so much related to Russia has been over the last decade - so especially in this case one's Spidey senses should be tingling.

but - the media are complicit in this charade - and so this is reason to have even less faith.. NY-Times .. "All the News that is Fit for Print"

but as you say - this stems from the intelligence community and so this is State Sponsored Propaganda - Orwellian style..

but now worries .. they have our best interest at heart - doing their best for the rest we are told .. and most believe it.

 

It was well into WWII before people fully understood that cruisers, destroyers and the like were
not going to be the important vessels in the Pacific campaign. It was the carriers. Even the Japs
thought this when they decided to hit Peal Harbor, knowing the carriers were not there that
Sunday.
But these other naval vessels played a crucial role in the Atlantic.

I think the next major war will involve cyber, satellite, laser, nuclear, submarine and missile.
It could easily begin in the Western Pacific.

 

I said it few pages ago.

The whole idea behind Pentagon and/or intelligence 'leaking" it to the press is the knowledge that the media will take it the rest of the way. They like juicy stuff. Its like throwing a leg of lamb to the lions den.

I take it you support Trump/Biden pull-out plans. I think we should leave a base there, but I don't blame people for being tired of it after 20 years.

 

There is no doubt that majority of the media are anti Trump and minority are pro Trump. The minority media are as un objective praising Trump as the majority are un objective criticizing him.
But now lets think about the Russian bounty. The U.S. intel has low confidence in the story that Russia was paying for bounties on U.S. troops in Afghanistan. What does it mean? It means there are some reports which cannot be confirmed. That it. It does not mean Russian did not offer bounty, it means that there is no definite proof.

If you love Trump – you can start to believe Russian did not offer a bounty.

If you hate Trump – you can say Russian paid bounty but it is difficult to prove it.

My opinion – knowing how Putin behaves, it is possible it was his order or some Russian military unit paid without authorization or some Afghan wanted to make some extra money and sold this story to the US Intel.

 

Perhaps outside of the homeland - but will not be attacking the homeland of China .. nor Russia -and the list is growing

but if that is the case say against Russia then there will not be many cruisers or destroyers involved - subs and planes yes.

The first thing to go in such a war is the satellites and major radar installation hubs roughly the same time as the unlucky nations who were dumb enough to allow ABM's on their soils have them destroyed by short range nuclear cruise missiles .. they will be the first to see the mushroom cloud.

Shortly after you will perhaps be lucky enough to see the high altitude explosions above the US - the electromagnetic pulse wreaking havoc on anything electric and of course the grid itself .. communication already gone due to the satellites being blown up - this will take what little was left.

Then in darkness - we wait - until the end comes. One thing the arms race has done is made it much easier to get nukes to enemy soil -and soon other nations will be joining the club .. India already has for the most part - Pakistan will be next.. Israel is likely already there if not close to it - and who knows - if we are really lucky - Iran may get a nuke - already having achieved the ballistic capability and cruise missile capability. ..

Wouldn't have that made the strike in the Saudi Oilfield a whole lot more fun -- nothing like a tactical nuke to light up the place