S.D. Requires Visit to Pregnancy Center Before Abortion

Then what is their goal and how is it achieved?

 

Exactly. And there is no good reason to make it more difficult to do so.
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/...iod-universally-panned-makes-good-fundraising
When the South Dakota governor decided to sign H.B. 1217, the 72 hour mandatory waiting period and religious counseling bill, into law (behind closed doors, with only a short written statement released to the public), the near universal reaction to the bill was "So when's the court date?"

Now, as NPR points out, the bill has finally become the one point where everyone on both sides of the abortion debate can agree: it goes too far.

Nobody is against such a thing. And nobody thinks a woman will be getting "education" from a crisis pregnancy center. NOBODY.

Information, yes. "Information" is not what one gets at a crisis pregnancy center. What one gets is "propaganda." Religious indocrination. False information.

 

Yes it is. The only goal that these people have in mind is to push the woman into giving birth. Abortion isn't an option for these people.

 

Lifers would love to make woman give birth against their will. Those religious whack jobs are there to show fake videos and pictures to the woman to make her feel guilty. They need to butt out and bugger off.

What education? If you mean fake videos and images of dolls covered in red sauce, then sure.

If the woman WANTS to see these people, she can. But she should not be FORCED to.

 

Show Me Where It Says This Makedde?

 

LMAO! Here we go again with fake pictures and fake videos...lol. You really are in denial on this aren't you? Who said anything about religion here? It's the old, "can't win b/c I have no facts to back up my ridiculous arguement so I am going to rail against religious people" shtick.

LMAO! And it continues on.......

Well, South Dakota says differently Makedde. PP doesn't do a very good job of explaining the entire situation to these young women. Perhaps if they were honest about the whole thing, none of this would be necessary eh?

 

That is such common knowledge that you can find it on Wiki. Crisis pregnancy centers ONLY exist to stop abortions. And this legislation is going down in flames after it costs the state of SD a pretty penny to defend it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_pregnancy_center

Crisis pregnancy centers (CPCs), also known as pregnancy resource centers[1][2] are non-profit organizations established to counsel women against having abortions.[1][3][4][5][6] CPCs are typically[7] run by pro-life Christians according to a conservative Christian philosophy, and often operate under the auspices of one of three groups: Care Net, Heartbeat International, and Birthright International. The National Institute of Family and Life Advocates (NIFLA) was formed to provide legal advice to American CPCs.[3][8][9]There are over 4,000 CPCs in the United States, as compared with well under 750 abortion clinics


Here it is in their own words. You simply will NOT FIND a CPC that will assist a woman in having an abortion.

http://www.thecrisispregnancycenters.org/2009/baby/information/aboutus/index.php

Mission
The Crisis Pregnancy Centers is a Christ-Centered Ministry dedicated to:

Protecting the unborn.
Providing for those facing crisis pregnancies and post abortion trauma.
Promoting sexual abstinence until marriage.

The Crisis Pregnancy Center is a Christian ministry, embodied by volunteers, which provides unconditional acceptance and assistance to women facing crisis pregnancies

 

OK, and Planned Parenthood is the direct opposite of this.

None of you have yet explained why giving these women this kind of information is somehow harmful to them.

I have never seen such sadistic reasoning. Your attacking CPCs b/c they want to keep women from having an abortion, yet you cheer on and probably help fund an entity, that would rather do an abortion then discuss rational, well thought out reasons for or against abortions.

Its pretty sick really. Your only stance against CPCs are that they talk to women about keeping their babies?...lmao. Really?

 

Not killing your child should be a difficult decision?

If the fetus is just an object, why is it emotionally painful at all?

I dont get that logic from pro-abortionists at all. Why would you have so much emotion over an object that you want to get rid of? If it isnt a person, why do you care at all?

What is sexist about it? You do know that pro-life women exist, right? Lots of them actually.

If it is just a medical procedure, why is it "emotionally" painful? People do not get emotional about having a broken bone set. Or getting vaccinated.

 

By opposite, do you mean that CPC's lie and PP tells the truth?

It has been explained repeatedly that CPC's LIE, they simply do not provide accurate information. They think they are entitled to lie, that it is a good thing because they are saving a life.

You have no evidence that PP does not provide accurate and truthful information. It is not their job to convince a young woman of the "right" decision.

The stance is that they LIE. A young woman is entitled to accurate information, and the government should NEVER countenance their receiving inaccurate information.

 

Come now Hat, show just a bit of integrity. Just what is it exactly that those places will counsel? Will any of them recommend abortion in ANY case?

 

The pictures and videos have long been debunked and anyone with the tiniest bit of honesty knows and admits it. If there is denial it is all yours, no doubt because reality is not on your side.

By what standards? Your dogmatic one? What can you offer to show that those centers have a higher standard?

 

As opposed to your highly intelligent and honest one?

And you support that with what, you good word?

 

If you are going to hold up a bunch of pictures as so called proof that abortion is wrong, then I expect you to prove that those photos are real.

So far you haven't been able to. I wonder why?

And what makes you such an expert on abortion that you know who is being honest and who isn't, hmm??

I love the fact that lifers presume that they know more about abortions than the actual people who deal with it on a daily basis.

 

I attack these bogus clinics run by religious folks only because people want to FORCE women to attend these clinics!

You can't force a woman to attend a meeting if she isn't willing. Butt out of her life and let her make her own decisions.

 

PP does do a good job, and that is what the coercion morality people don't like. They want women to be lied to.

 

A bit of good news for the day:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/30/2293798/federal-judge-grants-injunction.html


SIOUX FALLS, S.D. -- Saying it would humiliate and degrade women, a federal judge on Thursday afternoon granted Planned Parenthood's preliminary injunction to prevent South Dakota's new abortion law from taking effect while it's being challenged in court.

The law, which would have taken effect Friday, requires women seeking abortions to face a three-day waiting period - the nation's longest - and undergo counseling at pregnancy help centers that discourage abortion.

The lawsuit says the law violates a woman's constitutional right to abortion established under the 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/30/2293798/federal-judge-grants-injunction.html#ixzz1QoRQI5sI

 

The right wingers are making a beautiful SD into a (*)(*)(*)(*) hole.

 

Excellent news. Hopefully they throw out that stupid law altogether.

 

And allow women to be conned by the abortion industry again? Truly sad

 

Better than having them conned by pro lifers with an agenda.

 

So-called "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" are mostly operated by religious pro-life zealots, not medical professionals. They feel justified in luring pregnant women in with deceptive names and promises. Many women have been given misinformation, such as it is too late at 8 weeks to get an abortion. They have also used scare tactics, telling women Jesus will never forgive them if they have an abortion.

Women should be protected from CPCs, not forced to visit one. Legislators who would make such a law are not serving the people and should be removed from office.

 

How so? Are you claiming that the pro abortion crowd has no agenda?

 

PLanned Parenthood and other pro abortion organizations lure women into abortions with lies a bout what an abortion is, and what the long term affects of it are.

 

Excuse me? Women KNOW what an abortion is. Women are not stupid. There are NO proven long term effects--that is just one of the pro-life lies.