Salisbury poison was Russian-made NOVICHOK - British PM confirms.

An interesting article written by law Barrister James O'Neill:

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/13/the-strange-case-of-the-russian-spy-poisoning/

AS the man says, too much speculation, too much hysteria, and too little analysis or insight...

 

Apart from that, the British government has got things just right. lol Jesus what a farce.

 

Yes, a complete farce. Sadly. But that's where our beloved PM, Theresa McCain, has brought us too. A laughing stock.

 

It really is fascinating to watch the pro-Moscow/Anti-Western crowd spring into action. it is getting hard to tell the paid trolls from the useful idiots.

 

I knew it was only a matter of a very short time before some **** came out with **** like that!

NB That wasn't the 'c' word by the way - even I wouldn't call you one of them.

 

Unless there is hard evidence involved, we are looking at the same thing that happened in syria. When assad had everything to lose by using gas, which was supposed to have been removed from syria prior, he was accused of using gas. Russia wanted an independent investigation which never happened. We claimed it was assad as soon as it happened.

With russia, this happened right before the election in russia and before the world cup to be held in russia. I guess russia intentionally shot themselves in the foot?

Russia had imprisoned this guy and then turned him loose in a swap of intel prisoners, around 10 years ago with the UK. Something stinks like a dead fish. Just as assad being accused of using gas when using it would have been the height of stupidity. When there is no evidence presented, and people are told just to take the word of the gov't on it, well, this bothers critical thinkers. If not bothered by it and no question marks arise, this is a means test for too many dead brain cells.

 

It's really interesting to watch the trope dopes on this forum trot out the same tired and hackneyed meme. For me, it reveals a complete lack or originality on their and an inability to intelligently deal with sensible criticism of a news story that has more holes in it than a wedge of Swiss cheese.

But to be fair to them, how can anyone intelligently support this story on the evidence? "Highly likely" is not a legal term, it's a political opinion.

 

Exactly - I couldn't believe my ears when our 'Foreign Secretary' came out with that senseless expression.

 

I think you've summed it up very well. The whole affair is so highly politically charged we're unlikely to ever see the actual evidence. It's all speculation.

Like you I stopped believing what the government and media said not long after I stopped beleiving in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy [ I was a late developer ]

 

What about the 300 GRU intelligence officers et al he outed...guess they'd be rather peeved

 

Well ... but the question is still open and un-answered why suddenly and now the attack came ... your post Shows only a possible reason and there could be many more.

But as told, there must be a reason why this guy could live 8 years in peace and harmony and nothing happened during this time!

 

Nice ... and what does it tell about any possible reason why the attack?

 

Truthfully for anyone to believe any gov't and MSM in these times, given what we know, backed by evidence, of gov't's lying to their herds is just utter nonsense. And yet some of us still hang on every word of politicians, even when it is known that if their lips are moving they have been known to lie. And of course intel have always been professional liars. And only the genuine tin foil hat wearers would object to this.

The UK's reaction, while not giving anyone hard evidence, and they have cameras, and perhaps even people who may have seen this, and it takes time to actually do a thorough investigation, is also suspect to critical thinkers. Never let an opportunity be wasted?

So, my position is that of a critical thinker. Show us the evidence and if it is valid evidence, then you satisfy critical thinkers. I personally do not care what any evidence might show, and this has always been my position. I am only concerned with facts and truth, but alas this is not the case with many on this forum or many in america and europe. There are various reasons for this lack of real intelligence, but there is simply no rational excuse for it. And if you can fool so many people, what does that really say about the ability to be vigilant in protecting a society from a most nefarious and authoritarian gov't? It really is a helluva thing. For a living hell can come from this.

 

The below is an old Guardian article about the Litvinenko inquest and conclusion by William Dunkerley. I'm posting it because it almost exactly replicates the same factual flaws, inconsistencies, bias and a lack of credible evidence we have already seen in the Skripal affair. One could be forgiven for thinking that the same hand write the script for both affairs.

Well Mandelus, I''ve spent the last week elucidating my view on this forum n both the Skripal threads. I think the whole affair is more or less a replay of the Litvinenko affair -- in other words a politically inspired hatchet job.

PS, a fairly decent take-down of the Litvinenko affair is HERE.

 

Wait a minute bigfella. I am not pro moscow, nor anti western. What I am is anti lying by any gov't. Especially my own, but also the UK who we are close with and work with.

So for you to make that leap is just nonsense, and I question your ability to critically think about anything given this weak knee jerk response. We see this from the dems, and I think you may be a repub, so apparently thoughtless knee jerks are not limited to the left side.

 

Interesting I find how it is bashed on the evil Lefites and others to be uneducated trolls because believing MSM only etc. ... but when things like this happened right These smart alecks switch on the "cold war Modus" and believe everything what politicians and MSM reports... burn this Putin wizzard ... because the Russian Bear is always guilty!

And all who are sceptic and ask smart questions like "if it was Russia, why the attack came right now after he sat years in Rusian jail and still lived 8 years in Britain" ... they are directly Pro-Moscow

 

Big Fella is an Aussie, One Mind.

 

And my nemesis?

 

But you must never think for yourself. Bigfella is told what to think and he does it. Or so it appears. But alas the world is just not as simple as he perceives it.

 

Ah, thanks. I had him confused with someone else. So if you are reading this, I apologize Bigfella for insulting you by calling you a republican. Yet the worse insult would have been calling you a democrat.

 

Sorry Cerb. But I couldn't resist it:

 

'Is your name not Bruce then?'

'No, Michael.'

 

Got to be philosophical about it...

 

So perpetrated by the Russian secret service?
On what evidence or just reasons please?

Again ... the man spent years in a Russian jail before being released, and then lived unmolested in the UK for 8 years.
Something the man must then suddenly have known or even proven that can harm Putin / Russia, that he had to murder 18 years after his arrest as a double spy, or not?
Just to make an example of the motto, "do not mess with Putin", sorry, ridiculous! If such a statement is needed, there are 100 better targets than the guy here!

The only parallel to Litvinenko is that it was also an attack ... and even with Litvinenko I'm pretty skeptical! It is well known that Polonium was used for the assassination ... and if that was the Russian secret service and it was supposed to be secretive attack, then the former KGB became the most stupid intelligence agency of the world! Why? So far, only the KGB Polonium used for such attacks in the past is already common knowledge!

This fact has, of course, once again opened the door and gate for the conspiracy trolls and anti-West / anti-US faction regarding their subsequent statements of false flag action by CIA or whatever.

 

You mean something of ... Black or White / Evil or Good etc., but nothing else between and who is good and who is bad is automatic and unquestionable clear, correct?