Salisbury poison was Russian-made NOVICHOK - British PM confirms.

Its easy... we couldn't lead a dog to a tree...

 

Then there is no problem to show the proofs. I remind that when the soviets lied about their rockets on Cuba the americans showed the photos and it helped to talk business which saved the world. Why not now? How many times did Putin get blames for the crimes? Can I have a look at ONE undisputable proof of his guiltiness? Like the one with Collin Powell's crime costing seas of blood.

I doubt that the person who did it has ever been in Russia. At least if I (no experience of secret agents just some common sense) had a task to kill a guy in London, I would check where he lives, hire a criminal and after the guy was dead shooting the criminal. (If you kill a secret agent every time he fulfils a job you won't have enough of secret agents quite soon). In case of any real danger to the operation I would always be able to defend myself in the court. Easy, cheap, reliable. But this poison, park, low efficiency, high risk of getting caught... It is not worthy of it.

Cool. I am sure that this caricature Putin would just do that. But in real life it doesn't happen.

I bet 100 Euros against one that you came to this conclusion after reading or listening to propaganda which implied the idea that Russians would lie about it. That's where your mind was set the way it is. Not by Comical Ali (no idea who it is).

Yeah. Sure thing. Propaganda will always tell about height, haircuts and other stuff. That is exactly what propaganda is. It uses the complexes of the people. Those who trust this stupidity and not the ones who it aims to.

Bad football team with plenty of flops and no success is something that we got used to in Russia. But I am sure that your officials didn't kill Scripal just not to send a football team for another flop... , right? I mean try to come up with the story you will be able to tell yourself. And if you yourself come to a contradiction - change the story. It helps to fight with propaganda. Otherwise you will keep on smiling when some dirty journalist forces you and get scared when he wants you to. That's what freedom is, right? Can you trust yourself that you are free if you are not able to do a basic thing?

Of course not. She hasn't suffered enough for what she's done.

Our roads are much worse. Firstly because we have either a black soil or the ever-frozen soil, which is not a good basement even if you gather twice more stones and sand then you have. And secondly we spend a fortune on the roads every year and the companies have hardly any motivation to do their job properly. I wrecked my car a week ago, because I didn't look back carefully enough while driving around the hole... We started to have some good roads before the Olympics. They are still good. But you have to pay for them and they can't import the quality inside the cities. Trust me. Your roads is something you can really be proud of comparing to Putin...
Now since we found something good and relaxed a bit. Seriously. Can you come up with the complete story which you will tell to yourself and trust yourself that it was Putin ordering this very assassination of Scripal. I don't ask for proofs or docs. Just a story. Just your own attitude.

 

Skripal left working for GRU in 1999, even before Putin came to power. What document could he possess?

As Destroyer of Ill said above, one of the creators of that poison lives in the United States. The USA has industry for producing chemical weapons, so it could be easily produced there. The problem is that nobody in the UK would never consider that point.

 

You forget that Putin was prime minister in 1999 and was already in the inner power circle of Yelcin before!

Maybe one of them is now living in the US, but unfortunately Destroyer is as credible as North Korea's propaganda tyrant with the nonsense that comes regularly.
But even if so, please tell me what a deeper meaning that would have been for the US ... and please do not come with some ridiculous False Flag conspiracy nonsense to poison relations between the UK and Russia!

 

You left out Britain. But then again, when it comes to foreign policy they are one and the same.

 

Whenever something occurs, the first thing any investigator will look at is 'who gains'? Well the two nations that gain are Britain and the US - or rather the liberal 'new world order' freaks that hate Russia with a passion for wanting and helping nations maintain their sovereignty.

Anyway I always suspected this had to do with the World Cup being held in Russia, and that it was another attack by British Intelligence to stop the games. (And to think Russia sent Britain gas so they wouldn't freeze).

The following is from the Russian Ministry:

“We have repeatedly warned that before the start of the Russia World Cup the Western press will launch an all-out media campaign with the intention of discrediting Russia and undermining trust in the country, as the host nation of the tournament,”

“As we predicted, particularly active has been the English [press], which cannot forgive that our country fairly and squarely won the right to host the 2018 World Cup.”​

 

So, given the number of things that have accidentally found their way onto the markets from the armories of the former Soviets, do we really expect that we must assume what ms May is selling is in fact true? There just seem to be way too many, if's and buts, and well, candy and nuts. I keep wondering why it is that the liberal folk of the world still insist on having the Russians cast as the boogie men of the world? For all of their bluster about Russia bad, there is never a corresponding, China bad conversation. China has all but dared the world to blink vis a vis their new dear leader for life. Democrats pined ever so longingly about keeping Obama around... Putin endures... There is a pattern here...

 

Former British Ambassador, Craig Murray, writes:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/russian-to-judgement/

 

One answer may be that Russia and China are working closely together on all sorts of projects aimed at sidelining the Anglo-American/NATO bloc in the future. The latter have always operated on a divide and conquer strategy and if they can strip away China from an "evil" Russia they weaken them both in one stroke.

 

Yes, I can see that being a valid reason for this affair - especially given the fact that had military grade Novochok really been used, Skripal and his daughter, and many others besides, would already be dead. Whether the strategy will work depends on whether other European nations agree to pull out of the World Cup this Summer. If they do it will be aimed at damaging Putin's credibility and damaging his chances him in the forthcoming election this coming Sunday.

 

Of course not! You don't summon an Ambassador over for tea and biscuits for no reason, I'm guessing this is going to be handled by the relevent people at the appropriate level in the usual manner...I'm assuming you're not on the mailing list? If you are...hint hint...chuck us a copy!!

You'd have to take that up with Sergey Markov he was the lad sprouting the bollocks on the TV this morning - some Kremlin Aid or something...
but I'll take your bet! So EUR200s on the table - bet is - undisclosed Ivans' whacked these bozos using this Russian nerve stuff.
Comical Ali...everyone knows him...!

I like that..

Interesting....I don't think we get "propaganda" in the way you lot get it. I mean our "news" is pretty boring anodyne stuff... pretty limited really and based on the IQ of the average Sun reader...not sure how that translates to be honest. Anyway there's no nationalistic jingoism or crap like that...you must have seen the BBC news? We certainly don't have reels and reels of coverage of Theresa May armed to the teeth out in the backwoods huntin wabbit or tigers or dragons or whatever it was...nothing that dramatic...just pictures of her latest pair of shoes.

This is the fun thing about this. Its all Tom Clancy stuff so we can have a field day with it...nobody's wrong. Anyway, this Skripal fella is either the unluckest guy in the world or someone has the real arse ache about him! They're already digging up the wife and son who "died" and then him and his daughter have just had a pretty bad day. I guess unlike the wife and son they'll get better. Kinda beats the odds somewhat huh...
Anyway, ultimately I couldn't give a rats chuff about him but, my guess is that certain chaps in Russia are pretty naffed off with him. And, they have decided that offering repayment on him and his family for giving up those 300 fellow GRU intelligence officers (having been let off by Medvedev and given a life in the UK) is the right thing to do...of all the places he could have gone the poor sod ended up in the UK...jeez.... anyway timing is interesting don't you think, right in front of an election process! Putin always looks good on TV digging out the shyte at the west when the west is sprouting righteous indignation and blowing about something that the those bloody terrible Ivans have done...makes him look all regal and puffed up...prime candidate for the crown...yay him...

 

That don't count. We are the USA. Only we can do stuff like that.

So, if this poison can be made from existing agricultural poisons, seems like anyone could make it if they knew how.

And of course you must read what has been said. That it was "likely" russia. Well, at least as with the poison gas used in syria, the brits are not certain it was russia, just "highly likely"

Did russia do this? Very possible. Could it have been done by someone else, to frame russia? While possible, I just doubt it. Would british intel do this? To ramp up tensions with russia, as the US is doing? And risk their own people? I doubt it. How about our CIA? It is possible, but then again, I doubt it, given as nefarious as our CIA has been, this is even perhaps beyond what they would do, given it would risk the british, innocent people.

But at the end of the day, if russia did it, to kill a traitor, that is no different than obama droning american citizens. Perhaps he did not kill innocent non radicals when he did it. And so far we know of no brits being killed in this attempted killing of a russian traitor.

And that is how I have to personally view this. It makes russia no worse, no more murderous than our last presidents. But hypocrisy is very difficult for me to indulge in.

 

The times when Britain was ruled by british lords have passed. Now you have Mr Boris Johnson and I am not sure that those days a lord would allow Johnson to show himself 5 miles away from his table. We also have these type of politicians. But luckily they are not making any decisions and use their voters (around 7%) to show off.

I mean that your proof is that there should be some proof. You trust your politicians and blame Russians just because they must have a proof somewhere. It's fine.... If it is so and you agree that it is enough - i am fine with that.

Um. Fine. You don't think so. Just because british politicians look smarter than comical Ali... or something of that kind... Got it.

'Yellow press' I think. It's quite british... I thought.

Yes I used to use BBC for classes... in times when 'BBC English' had a meaning.

So if Putin sells his rifle and buys himself new shoes of some gay-style Russia will get 100 points of democracy?

Do you really believe in what you are saying?
I am serious. I don't make decisions from Kremlin and don't get a salary for every western soul I sell to devil via Internet. I just feel that with all these jokes you possess some intellectual power. It is seen in grammar and choice of words. I am sure that you are actually reading at least from time to time and value the knowledge. I believe that you are in general quite a nice person... I bet that you are polite in 'real life' away from the Internet and help the old ladies to cross the street... Do you really believe in it? Do you really want me to believe in it?

There is another corpse already. The former friend of Berezovsky died... Perhaps he also was unlucky.

 

The fact that you are technically in a position to do so and also have morally no scruple ... does not mean that you are legally allowed for, just because you strong enough to do!
That can sometimes come back to you as an evil boomerang ... and ultimately the acts of terror against you are nothing other than this boomerang. Should one be sorry for the US terror victims because of their arrogant behavior? Will be difficult ...

 

Brits gone crazy! And how; meaning, absolutely!

 

Does it matter... I mean seriously does it actually matter? We live in a world in which wars are being fought, refugees are stranded and living in places where one wouldn't abandon stray dogs, famine and hardship is the norm for a significant number of the world's population. And then we have this little bruhaha... three unfortunate people in hospital who we hope will recover...other than of course those that hoped they'd die. And here we are on the internet playing (and hopefully enjoying) word games with each other.

The world turns and tomorrow there will be something else that distracts the world's press attention. The wonderful thing about the internet is you can have a laugh an exchange views, it’s the craic! One has the opportunity to say what one wants within bounds; does it matter? Of course not. The interesting thing though is the knowledge insulation that occurs when events such as this happen. Opinion whether informed or uniformed sparks speculation and theory and it inevitably runs rampant until either interest wains or the events become made public knowledge. My feeling in this case is that we will never know. There will be talks and discussions at various levels where views will be given over documents produced and conclusions reached. Will they leak out.... probably...over time but by then there will be a new set of issues or dilemmas or controversies and know one will care.

Do I believe what I say.....

Yeah well....I see no reason to get all aggresive and bent out of shape over comments in chat forums if that's what you mean....

 

Rofl @ the OP. Wow. That Bear is trying to to take over the world! Pure lunacy.

I am going to try and lend a bit of sanity to the transparent design of the British and ourselves the US in now not once but twice declaring Russia guilty without any evidence whatsoever.

British officials assumed Russia was guilty and stated as much hours after the poisoning. Why? Why not wait until had some kind of inkling of wtf was going on after some investigation? Now they are at it again but with the nerve agent identified. Still no evidence at all but demanding all kinds of cra cra sh it.

British officials have demands about Novichock 5 nerve agent? those stupid progressive Muslim loving idiots?? Maybe they should try WIKIPEDIA haha.. God you people I swear. Every damn country and their mother probably has access to this nerve agents formula!

Check this out

Vil Mirzayanov was arrested on 22 October 1992 and sent to Lefortovo prison for divulging state secrets. He was released later because "not one of the formulas or names of poisonous substances in the Moscow Newsarticle was new to the Soviet press, nor were locations ... of testing sites revealed."[3]According to Yevgenia Albats, "the real state secret revealed by Fyodorov and Mirzayanov was that generals had lied — and were still lying — to both the international community and their fellow citizens."[3] He now lives in the U.S.[14]

I am not saying Russia didn't do this, what I am saying is it is bullshit for the every western government and its media to proclaim guilt with no proof. This type of loose circumstantial evidence wouldn't even get you indicted for jaywalking in the US. And if you were to publish it or a media source were to run this story about me? I would SUE the hell out of everyone for slander, character assassination etc and retire a very wealthy man because.... There's no defense. It's an automatic win


This whole thing reeks of politics. Local and geopolitical.

 

My nation is not concerned about morality, right or wrong. For you do not have to be when you are fighting for democratic values!!! lol. Meanwhile, Princeton basically told us in 2014 that we don't have a republic that is democratic, for only the elites and special interests are represented in DC. It is not a govt by and for the people. So we must be lying about being for democratic values, and trying to spread that? Which has justified our own immorality and evil deeds for decades.

Truth is, my gov't loves war. They worship the War Gods. And our elites make money from it. Keeps them wealthy. Gen Butler tried to tell us that War is a Racket. But americans, are either too stupid, or could not care less about it. Perhaps one day that karma will play out? I think my nation will be destroyed by nukes, and it is inevitable. I just hope I don't have to live to see it, and probably won't given my age. I would hate to see my kids, grand kids and great grand kids survive the exchange, only to die a horrible, suffering death in the aftermath. It would not bother me so much if only the war mongers died, but nukes take out everyone. Even the americans who are not war mongers. Who are good people. War mongers are not good people, but evil people.

 

It is too bad that the "Golden Age of Radio" no longer exists. During the 19 and 90s, I used to listen to rebroadcasts of
Garrison Keillor's "A Prairie Home Companion". I do miss those days.

 

The Russians could play with the likes of NK, Syria, Belarus, cuba, and other assorted tinpot dictators,)

 

You know. The Matrix movie started as philosophical tragedy and ended in farse. If we can't (not motivated or any other excuse for a fact the we can't) believe ourselves but still believe in certain things and from time to time have different range of different emotions, then it's a question who we actually believe... I understand this post-modern (and modern) british 'splin', but it is good for drinking

 

Meanwhile back in reality, the governments of these United States (many of them) and of the United States (the Feds both Deep State and Shadow Government), murder people are will in incidences seem random but upon further investigation, they are as deliberate as a pregnant woman having a child after nine months.

 

Tell me what a deeper meaning for Russia to murder the former British spy who spent years in Russian prison and who wasn't in active service for decades. They could kill him thousands times - in prison and later, but nobody cared about that.

 

Nobody knows him.
Everybody knows him:

...and his famous tube.

By the way, then it was also about chemical weapon.
And you know what? They f*cked you up then.
But today they tell you the pure truth, don't worry.

 

so...prelude to war huh....shee..it
I'd better take the washing in.