Salisbury poison was Russian-made NOVICHOK - British PM confirms.

What are nerve agents and what do they do?...

Russian spy: What are Novichok agents and what do they do?
13 Mar.`18 - A former Russian spy and his daughter were poisoned by a chemical that is part of a group of nerve agents known as Novichok, UK Prime Minister Theresa May has said.

 

Even Tillerson said there will be a response... another one died btw Nikolai Glushkov

Everything the Russians do is blamed on Hillary... so if a Russian tells me Hillary is going to make me die slowly I put two and two together. I'll accept your answer though

 

Gosh, I guess the OP wants me to believe that the British PM does not deceive and does not err.

Tony Blair's romantic relationship with George Bush back in 2003 shows the OP to be very much in error himself. The Downing Street Memo showed the duplicity.

 

Tillerson was condemning Russia even harsher in words and today he got replaced with Pompeo...

It'll be no surprise to see an attack on N.Korea because the Pro-Putin republican clique is now taking over DoS too... They ended the Russia probe earlier and now this... Trump must be impeached... That's the only way to save the world.

 

And this death convinces me that Russia has nothing to do with this. Scripal himself made lots of Russian spies to stop their operations. Establishing a new network needs time, money, people, but mostly time. A spy needs time to get established. So it could be either of the secret services which needs to further spoil relationship between Russia and the West. And there are plenty of these interests in the world. Scripal was definitely poisoned FOR the 'response' justification.

This woman has never given a chance to think of her differently to any Russian. But I didn't mean Hillary! The easiest option to kill Scripal was for British secret services. The American ones go the second (and it could be a ssurprise for GB as well). I wouldn't underestimate Chinese or any Gulf country interested in a western attempt to push Russia out of Syria. These interests are worthy of a present media hysteria. Russia had no such an interest.

 

True, the US loves war as they pay homage to the 2nd Amendment! Interestingly, since the Second World War, the United States has not had a single "war" that they have successfully completed ... not one. Instead, they regularly pull in the **** as soon as it gets uncomfortable and then come up with the absurd explanation that they have achieved their goals = mission completed. Ridiculous!

And as far as the concern for morality is concerned, I've learned for a long time that there's only hypocrisy in the US ... and should anyone ever come seriously with that morality, then of course he's a bad Lefty!
And as for the illegal use of UAVs, that's really "funny" with you ...
On the one hand, you ignore the territories of others and then get upset if somebody like Iran shoots an American UAV over its territory. I can still remember the launch in 2011, where some righties with only 3 brain cells in their heads in the USA seriously talked about an Iranian act of war done by Iran!
On the other hand, you commit worldwide simply with the UAV assassinations. No, I'm not talking about if a UAV in Afghanistan sends a Taliban leader in his car or hiding place to Allah or something like that in Iraq ... I'm talking about it happening in Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, Libya and many other countries where you are NOT legally moving with permission in foreign airspace and have the OK to send any actual or alleged bastard to his ancestors!
And please do not come here with the "War against Terror" and thus are war opponents to reason it. If they are war opponents, then they are also subject to the international war law signed by the United States which is all too often upheld by the USA if another one didn't hold it towards US POWs ... and the prison camp in Cuba will not exist!

 

Look can we get all this **** into some sort of perspective please? If an enemy of any given country (aka a traitor??) is discovered betraying his country, and does a runner to another country which then refuses, upon request, to extradite the miscreant to face trial, who the **** would care if someone then has to come to the host country to visit revenge upon that traitor? Traitors deserve the ultimate penalty for one of the worst crimes of them all - that of betraying and possibly compromising the lives of their own compatriots, and nobody should weep any tears for them if they subsequently pay the price of their treachery.

 

Well we all know the canine propensities (I'm thinking 'poodles' here? ) of Britain, in that if the US tells us to bark, we'll bark.

 

I am not to judge if he deserves what he has got or not, but I do not see any motivation from Russian side to kill him. He is retired, so can not provide any valuable things to the western intelligent service agencies. In addition, Russia does not need any political mess before the elections. I do think that who gain from his death is only west- they do not need him any more, and on the other side it is appropriate moment to do that before the elections in Russia.

 

So we are told? The question is - do we believe it, and who would know if he was still active anyway?

 

"British PM confirms"

Oh, well... if a politician said so, then it must be true.

 

He moved to GB in 2010, that is 8 years ago. Apparently, he did not have access to any important actual information once he was disclosed.

 

'Apparently'? Like I said, it's all a question of what's fact and what's fiction according to the official line, and who would know anyway. There are some seriously weird things going on these days.

 

Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu told the press that the investigation is in full swing. He said that it is too early to draw any conclusions.
Neil Basu told reporters that the investigation will take "many weeks", now the police are trying to establish how the poison was applied. According to him, detectives do not yet have any suspects. In other words, the investigation has only just begun.
It is completely incomprehensible that this inconsistency in the words of police officers and the most authoritative British politicians. Of course, it was necessary to work with Scotland Yard in advance, perhaps even before the assassination attempt. Introduce the case, sketch the theses of future press conferences. Explain what to say, and what better to keep quiet. It seems to me that Neil Basu for good reason disavows Teresa May, Boris Johnson, and along with them, overseas allies like Donald Trump. Which also blurted out, that he did not doubt the guilt of Russia. Well, here it is clear: transatlantic solidarity, political expediency, higher goals. But Neil Basu insulted - the police have their own solidarity, internal. If you remember, one of their friends barely survived, for no one had warned him that MI-6 had abundantly spilled poison in the house of Skripal. And he went there without knowing the danger. And then he almost died - was hardly pumped out. It seems that health status has stabilized, but who knows what will end it. Maybe he will remain disabled. In short, why the assistant commissar cuts the truth-womb and does not support the official version at all, is understandable.

 

Whether he was still active or not is beside the point; if the man was a traitor then traitors deserve what comes to them.

 

A premonition of a great war. Reminds some of the moments of 2014, which seemed long ago in the past.
In this connection, the natural question arises: why suddenly and why right now again?
The most amazing - is that there are no obvious reasons. Just as there was no clear reason for Putin to conduct this militaristic presentation during the message.
But the fact that Putin conduct it, as well as the fact that the West is hosting the current dance with tambourines, suggests that these reasons exist. All this means that the world is at some very dangerous point and all parties are using all possible resources to turn it in their favor.
Simply that is not obvious ( the reason), especially strains and frightens. Unclear threat is the most terrible.
I also do not know what this the reason. I only have a version.
I think that this most dangerous situation has developed in the world (primarily, Western) economies. Something is brewing there so terrible that it can really blow up the whole world.
And the "West" are trying to channel this very dangerous situation for them in the usual direction - through Russia. Use Russia as a fool in the card game, and ultimately at its expense to resolve the conflict.
But I repeat, what exactly is the matter, I do not know.
Therefore, Russia now bristled in full. Russians do not care about the problems of Western oligarchs and transnational corporations - these are not Russian problems. Let them do whatever they want. But they will not allow to solve their problems at the expense of Russians.
And given Russia's so tough, demonstratively militaristic position, it seems that Russian intelligence and analysts are predicting very serious scenarios.

But for the Russians, the main thing is that all the problems of Western economies should be solved not at the expense of Russians. Therefore, the "Dagger" yesterday, the Ministry of Defense showed clearly. To maximally convey Russia position for that side.

 

Look, our Foreign Secretary's on the case, so don't mess with our Foreign Secretary!

 

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I would even argue that if the British government had acceded to the Kremlin's request for extradition in the first bloody place, none of this crap would be happening to the poor long-suffering people of Salisbury, with men running around all over the place in funny outfits which make their bums look big.

 

Of course it is very strange, why it only after 8 years of exile was the attack ... but just that raises just questions on the why ... What happened suddenly, that they want to kill him now?

We do not know and can only speculate, but something happened, because otherwise there would have been this attack in the last 8 years!

 

On the matter of Novichok only being available to Russia:

My bolding.

I also understand that the exact formulae was given to the British by a Russian defector in the 1990's. This formulae would've gone to Porton Down, the British CB warfare unit, located just over 7 miles up the road from Salisbury. It is also "highly likely" that Ukraine had access to Novichok after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991.

Given this isn't it more than reasonable for Russia to be given access to a sample of the nerve toxin? After all, it is a tenet of British and American law that the defendant must have access to the evidence of the prosecution and are entitled to test it independently and present expert witnesses to contest disputed evidence.

However, the British government is wilfully refusing to provide a sample to Russia, as they have elected themselves to be judge, jury and executioners in this affair.

 

I wouldn't try to read too much into it when there is a much simpler explanation - sending a message works whether it is 8 moths or 8 years. Was there really a specific reason Trotsky was killed when he was? Perhaps there was a specific plan to make an example of someone & this former spy was an easy target. Perhaps an opportunity just arose.

With an election on Putin has been very busy. Big announcements on new weapons, lots of 'make Russia great again' rhetoric. So why not slip in the murder of a traitor. He can play the same game he has done with other murders & election interference - deny it in the knowledge that his supporters will parrot his denials, assume he did it and like him even more for doing it.

This is precisely what it appears to be - Russia telling people who are seen as betraying it that they cannot expect to live long, peaceful lives.

 

Goody, some weeks/months ago on the "with our Russian brothers we will force the West to its knee"-train now with anti-Russian spam.

 

Another brilliant post. If Putin has any sense (and he has!) he'll just tell May he had nothing to do with it and she can do what she likes, rather than get into a defensive diplomatic imbroglio. That'll shut her up! Jesus what an embarrassment it all is, **** knows how the fools will extract themselves from it after all the ludicrous goings-on in Salisbury right now.