From the same graph site. http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl Denialists have a chronic inability to understand the meaning of the expression "long term."
As for the cherry picked recent graph denialists also seem blinded to the ocean as a heat sink. http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Levitus2012OHC.jpg
Screw carbon taxes that only will make the rich richer. Hello people plant more trees. Plant more gardens. What percentage of CO2 do humans put into the atmosphere? 3 to 4 % of the total CO2. Yet the left wants to lower Americans way of life. While large corporations and banks will make billions on carbon taxes. Yet our fuel prices will increase and so will hearing oils for the poor. And so will our electricity bills. All while Al Gore makes millions and travel around in his personal jet and keep several homes all over America and abroad.
Larger companies like Shell will by large bulks of carbon credits knowing in the near future their value will go up. Allowing them to sell some credits at other smaller companies. Buy low- sell high
I thought part of being a warmist was to think long term? A tree stores some carbon, then it dies, and releases it.
what does the data mean, does it mean were delaying the next ice age, I say more research is needed, as we know humans are contributing to climate change, I just don't think at this point we know for sure what the long term effects will be
Considering the current hiatus and the fact that some scientists believe the models, which all of this hoopla is based on, are too sensitive to CO2 since they missed it, a lot more work needs to be done before we understand much of what is going on.
We all store carbon. We are all carbon based life forms. I'm not a warmist. I think the carbon man releases isn't the problem. This is just a way for progressives to tax corporations. Which in turn will raise cost to all Americans. A hidden inflation. The middles class will no longer be middle class. We will all drop a level. Besides the poor and the rich. The poor will be subsided and well the rich can afford it. Just more proof the progressive war on the middle class. The cost of everything will go up as companies like always passed the cost on the costumer. Fuel will increase Food cost Energy Heating fuels Everyday goods. Cloths etc. the middle class will have a devalued dollar. By the time we pay for all these added cost we will less to spend on anything other than the bare essentials. Don't forget the middle class is already paying for the Obama scam care. This is just another progressive middle class tax. Now for the plants. If we would plant more trees and gardens more Americans can feed themselves. We have empty lots all over these cities that could be turned into community gardens. Helping the poor and the middle class subsidies their food cost and giving them a sense of pride. While absorbing carbon and cooling the area. You know all that stuff. I think the sulfur that is put into the waters is a bigger problem than carbon. And Obama's Monsanto's pesticides that are being leaked into our drinking waters.
Let's tax volcanos and the countries or states that have them they have put more CO2 into the atmosphere than man has ever done.
How much carbon tax will Obama pay? http://www.federaltimes.com/article...ew-data-reveals-government-s-carbon-footprint Before you make me pay a damn dime I want the governemt to pay their fair share. I don't care how. They care use their war chest and campaign funds.
Plant more gardens or more trees, which is it? You can't do both trees or food? The reason trees are cut down is to make room for food production but you want less food? Co2 emissions are cumulative because any excess above normal natural exchange does not get absorbed...co2 atmospheric build up is relentless...
Trees are cut for mono cropping industrial farming. Not urban farming. CO2 is at some of the lowest levels in earths history. This carbon tax is a scam. A taxation without limits. A government power grab. Yet the government is one of the largest CO2 emitters in the world. You want to lower CO2. Down size the government.
industrial sized farming is what feeds us...evidently your not much of a gardener urban gardens don't grow worth a damn in the shade of trees...
Sorry you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Not to plant trees on small urban gardens. But in other areas. The community gardens don't have to feed the whole damn country or town. But would get rid of these run down areas. Give people something to believe in that would subsidies their food cost. Are progressives in favor of subsidies for lower income? To grow something that isn't GMO or full of Obama's pesticides? You tell me how you would fix global warming.
Obviously you don't know the difference between carbon taxes and carbon credits. Carbon taxes would make folks less inclined to buy fossil fuel products which isn't going to exactly help the coal and oil companies. In addition under James Hansen's plan a dollar tax added to a gallon of gasoline would be kicked back directly to the public on an equal basis giving those who use less gas an added bonus as well as generally inhibiting the frequency of filling up the tank.
carbon tax is the best way but mention "tax" of any form and opportunist politicians will jump on it as an election ploy...but carbon tax works, raising taxes on fuel causes people to drive less and look for cheaper means of transportation, the automotive industry responds by building more fuel efficient cars and home builders build more energy efficient homes...
They have had this capability for decades now. We have had cars that got 50 mpg and motorcycles that got 70 mpg way back in the 1980's. The problem is that nobody wants any of them. This has not a damned thing to do with "automotive industry", but the actual consumers.
And small companies like plumber and electrician that drive all over working from job site to job site. How will this help them. The working middle class? And what do you think will happen when you raise the cost to do business? They will pass the cost into the middle class. The progressive war on the middle clasd
cars that's an urban myth...motorcycles were getting great mileage back then because they were high performance engines, I know I had them and they were fast as well...cars are another story, the 70's saw a downturn in performance because of government regulations if they could've achieved 50 miles per and kept up performance they would have....here we are 20 yrs later and great mileage and performance is finally arriving which wouldn't be the case if the technology was there 20-30 yrs ago... telling me that consumers enjoy getting 15-20 miles per gallon at high fuel costs is BS, no one is going to turn away great fuel mileage because they like paying high prices...
I am a contractor and it won't hurt me at all...fuel costs are business expenses and tax deductible, as well costs are passed on to the customer...and I charge traveling time for long commutes, gas + time...
Exactly. You will pass you cost on to customers. Just like everyone else. Food will cost more. Clothing will cost more. Everything will cost more and who will pay this? The middle class.
