Science and Math and Computer Science Most Important to Learn

I am appauled at the lack of knowledge in basic science, mathematics in kids today although they might have crazy computer skills unless you understand WHY something works....you are going to have a problem.

Now it boggles the mind that the U.S....a Nation that has the largest number of the absolute best Colleges, Universities and Institutes in the WORLD.....as just in my home state of Massachusetts alone exists Harvard, MIT, WPI, Smith, Amherst...etc...endless....that we have some people who can't figure out how much change to give you without looking at the Computer Screen.

I have always found Math and Science easy and what I thought was A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.....was English Literature as todays crap is tommorrows genius.

Take a hint from tasting BEER.

If you try a beer and at first gulp IT TASTES LIKE CRAP.....IT WILL ALWAYS TASTE LIKE CRAP....you will just get used to drinking crap!!!

Literature is like this.

We must concentrate our Public School Teaching in the subjects of all Sciences....Higher Mathematics....I was learning basic Algebra in 5th Grade.....and Languages and especially COMPUTER SCIENCES!!!

All the rest...is like that bitter warm beer you first tasted in Europe....it tasted like CRAP....and no matter how many times or how man people tell you it's an AQUIRED TASTE....it still remains crap!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Think of it like this as well, how many people can make their own clothes anymore? Does that mean they're any less well off or stupider? Of course not. The skills we have now reflect how our society is doing. I don't like that we're not doing as well at science and mathematics as we should be, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. We just have to adapt to compensate for it.

 

I agree, my background is in math and computer science along with a number of other skills. I am old and I am in a much better position than many because I have numerous skills.

I talk to a young person who is going to college and ask them their major. Most often the answer is something like counseling.

 

There are MILLIONS of people in the U.S. that know and understand how to make fabrics out of many materials...I am one of them as my extensive Survival Training Taught me.

But in todays world of High Technology Science, Mathematics and Computer Science Skills are a MUST!!!

Most kids today could not figure out what Pi either means or stands for.

AboveAlpha

 

Millions of people out a population of a 1/3 of a billion? How does that compare to 100 years ago? What about other things as well? What about farming? How many people do you think could actually successfully grow vegetables without killing them in time for winter? We can't master every skill in the world, but that doesn't mean we're any worse for the wear. This is where specialization comes in and can make a big difference.

I'm not denying it, we need science and math skills now more then ever and it seems like we're being failed in that regard. Truth be told, I wouldn't believe my own argument because I would just point out that people need to know things in order to make rational and logical decisions. Our current denial of science is an example of this problem. The only reason I'm making the argument that I am is because I believe some good will come of it. I don't know what good, but something good will.

 

Same experience...asked a family member what she was going to College to study to become and she told me a SOCIAL WORKER!!!

Have another very wealhty friend who's parents BOTH have earned DOCTORATES from OXFORD and their degree is in some form of English Lit or something to that extent.

Their SON is a friend of mine who is NORMAL....their DAUGHTER...well they are paying big money to send her to OXFORD to earn the same degree they have!!!

I hold Multiple Degrees but I do not tend to say that I hold them i public....HERE...on this forum I let loose a bit.

I earned degrees in Particle Physics, Cosmology, Astronomy, I have an MBA, a degree in Finance as well as an associates in Music and I hold a degree in Medicine.

The degree in Medicine I earned from a world renown Massachusetts based College.

I was also an Assistant Professor working on Quantum Mechnics based MODELS specific to Multiversal Theory and this degree was also earned from a very world renown Massachusetts based Institute.

I was able to obtain so many degrees because I was HIGHLY RECRUITED out of High School by all Services of the U.S. Military and all existing U.S. Intel. Agencies.

As my MOM....is a..."CIVILIAN"....as well...and so are a few other relatives and my Dad is Military....and because I happen to test off the charts on a number of the Highest Rated and Toughest Tests.....and along with my "CIVILIAN"...and MILITARY....connnections....I was offered a SWEET DEAL!!

I was fully capable of going through my training as well as work on my degrees because that's just how my mind works.

But I KNOW...unless we start stresssing SCIENCE, MATHEMATICS AND COMPUTER SCIENCES...we are going to be screwed!!

AboveAlpha

 

You mean denial of science for political gain?

The only gain the US will make is to fall on hard times, forcing change. Americans have been coddled and do not understand the paradigm shift in global economics.

 

Not even that. Let's say that a company wants to sell hair products to a hairstylist. The products they sell however would cause a dangerous chemical reaction with the products that hairstylist already uses. Not knowing that, the hairstylist buys them anyways and decides one day to mix them together. It's the idea that we need a good education because we never know when the information we learn will effect us in the real world. We just don't have that. We deny science because of a blog post, not what a scientist says.

I don't really know to be honest. I like to think that Americans are informed but I don't have anything to compare that too really.

 

I know you have been highly successful and because of that, you can see the problems we face globally. I am a worker bee but created my own niche in a global company because of my skills. Just for survival, I tell young people to get a skill, any skill. You can always feed your family well with a skill, you can't always feed your family well with a degree, depending on the degree. If they are fit for education and not everyone is, I tell them what you believe.

 

I travel a great deal but I have a few neighbors help me with a very large organic garden I have every year.

If you know what your doing IT IS EASY!!

I cage my tomatos.....I cage my Peppers....I grow several types of cucumbers on trellises in the most shady area of the garden....and I grow all sorts of vegetables and fruits.

You need to know the basic science of Ph Levels as in New England the soil is acidic thus I have to add and rototill in Lime to balance the Ph.....basic Science.

I use MATH....to make a plot plan of how I will plant vegetables and fruits as a Tomato, Cucumber, Eggplant, Peppers....are all fruits.

I also have Raspberry Bushes, Black Berry, Two kinds of Cherry Trees, Large Delicious Apple, Pear, Blueberries and a 5 Different Apple Grafted Tree....as well as a Plum Tree.

I could go on....but I use NO PESTICIDES....and bring in GOOD BUGS to eat the bad ones.

Point is....the science and the math are a big help and without them....I could not have an Organic Garden that was not riddles with holes eaten by pests and animals unless I knew such things.

AboveAlpha

 

You using science and math in growing you're own food, I would wager that's a relatively new idea. A lot of advancements have been made in growing food, but most of them have been in the last 300 or so years. But even though it's made us better, it made us rely upon it as well. There's no question that it's helped uplift humanity to standards never before seen in human history. But we still rely upon it. I'm willing to bet that will the ideas themselves are simple, not everyone could understand them in such a way to make huge profits. Think of it like this, not everyone is a good debater but people still can use words to convince another person to do something. Just because some people are better at science then others, doesn't mean the system is going to collapse.

 

Just about every fruit and vegetable you currently eat is GENETICALLY MODIFIED.

Corn....did NOT EVEN EXIST Centuries ago as Human's after centuries of GRAFTING and CROSS POLINATION...took a 5 inch little plant that had what would look like a rounded yellow berry....eventually using NATURAL GENETIC PROCESSES.....eventually developed CORN.

We are doing the same.....as the Beefsteak and Big Boy and Jet Star and Early Gild Tomatos...some of the variety I grow....have been engineered to be sweeter....decay slower....and be less susceptible to disease and mold.

Same with every other vegetable or fruit you currently eat.

I would say there is a LOT of JOBS involved in that!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Sure. I agree with you. But does the average person need to know about how the genetic manipulation of corn was done? What if instead they decide to specialize in marketing, thus allowing that one person to specialize in manipulating genetics by taking over financing?

 

If you can't build. engineer or design the products....what are you going to sell??

We need to stress Science and Math and Computer Science as at least 60 percent of the ciriculum.

AboveAlpha

 

Plus when I had a kid at the grocery store a $50 and I buy $36.50 worth of food and the kid accidentally punched in the $100 Change Button and I TRY to tell them they made a mistake and they are RUDE TO ME IN THE EXTREME saying to me....."IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMPUTER SCREEN SAY'S YOU GET FOR CHANGE...THAT'S WHAT YOU GET!!"

I am honest and walked by the Customer Service Counter as I know the girls there and they said Hi and I said...."You will be calling me!"

As a cashier is responsibe for his or her own cash register bank and this ment this rude girl would be $50 short.....I get a call from ome of the Managers at the customer service desk....and we go over what happened and I told her I TRIED TO GIVE THE MONEY BACK....and I tell her....I will give the girl the money back if she comes up to the top floor of one of our Family Company Buildings and say's she is SORRY...and I will say OK....and hand her a $50 Bill.

THE GIRL QUIT RATHER THAN DOING THIS!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Define science. If we include the social sciences as well, then that's going to be over 60%, not even if we include music or the arts.

 

So a well rounded education is not something you agree with. Well, insects are specialists, but human beings are not insects. I think we should we exposed to a well rounded education, and that includes the ability to appreciate great literature, and being well schooled in the history of your species is very important. For with history, one can look back into the past, and see how particular things that humanity did, resulted in destruction, chaos, and set humanity back, instead of progressing it.

In a gov't as we have, it is also essential that citizens totally understand how it operates, what their personal responsibilities are, and their place and role in that gov't. For there is much more to life, to human existence, than just having computer skills, the ability to use high math, and understanding science. In fact, from reading your posts since I have been here, I highly recommend that you spend at least a semester in discovering the history of science, and the role of philosophy in science. For I detect a less well rounded human being, when reading your posts, and as I said, specialization is for insects, not homo sapiens. No offense intended, just an observation. A good analogy is a diamond, with its numerous facets, which gives it, its beauty. If it only has 3 facets, you would not get the beauty that human beings are mesmerized by, and appreciate.

So, I am for a well rounded education, a multi-faceted human being. Specialists tend to be great boors, once you get out of their area of expertise. And rather ignorant of important things.

 

I am in favor of starting to teach COMPUTER SCIENCE....AT THE 3RD GRADE LEVEL.....AND CONTINUE THIS AS WELL AS ADDING COMPUTER SCIENCE AND COMPUTER PROGRAMMING AT THE 4TH THRU 12TH GRADE LEVELS ALONG WITH LOGIC, ANALYSIS AND ENGINEERING!!!

I am in favor of teaching kids BASIC GEOMETRY at the 4th Grade Level.

Teach them SIMPLE AND BASIC ALGEBRA AT THE 5TH Grade Level.

6th Grade.....Algebra II and Plain Geometry....as well as Introduction to Anatomy and Introduction to Chemistry.

7th Grade kids would be be taking ANALYSIS as well as Advanced Engineering and Advanced Anatomy.

8th Grade Kids should at by that point begin Introduction to Physics and Introduction to CALCULUS.

9th Grade....AND WHAT I NOW AM PROPOSING IS A PROGRAM THAT DOES NOT EXIST......is a SPECIAL COURSE COMBINATION OF.....Introduction to Calculus II and it's Usage as to APPLIED ADVANCED GEOMETRY and such structurses existence withing AT A MINIMUM 10-D Universal Space-Time ADVANCED PHYSICS.

10th Grade ADVANCED PHYSICS II......ADVANCED CHEMISTRY AND BIOCHEMISTRY.....AMD AS AFORE MENTONED.....ADVANCED COMPUTER SCIENCE AND ADVANCED QUANTUM PROCESOR USE CAPABLE BINARY CODE QUANTUM COMPUTER PROGRAMING.

11th Grade....Higher Mathematics such as again uses of Trig, Analysis and Topology as well as uses of Calculus, Logic, Number Theory, Dynamical systems and differential equations.....and of course all of these integrated with COMPUTER SCIENCE.

12th Grade.....Combinatorics thus Combinatorics concerns the study of discrete and usually FINITE objects.

Aspects include COUNTING the objects satisfying certain criteria Enumerative Combinatorics, deciding when the criteria can be met, and constructing and analyzing objects meeting the criteria as in Combinatorial Designs and MATROID THEORY, finding "Largest", "Smallest", or "Optimal" objects Extremal Combinatorics and Combinatorial Optimization, and finding Algebraic Structures these objects may have Algebraic Combinatorics.

As well as Mathematical Physics.

Ray tracing is a process based on computational mathematics.The fields of mathematics and computing intersect both in computer science, the study of algorithms and data structures, and in scientific computing, the study of algorithmic methods for solving problems in mathematics, science and engineering.

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Information theory and signal processing[edit]Information theory is a branch of applied mathematics and electrical engineering involving the quantification of information. Historically, information theory was developed to find fundamental limits on compressing and reliably communicating data.

Signal processing is the analysis, interpretation, and manipulation of signals. Signals of interest include sound, images, biological signals such as ECG, radar signals, and many others. Processing of such signals includes filtering, storage and reconstruction, separation of information from noise, compression, and feature extraction.

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Probability and statistics
The "bell curve"—the probability density function of the normal distribution.Main article: Lists of statistics topics
Probability theory is the formalization and study of the mathematics of uncertain events or knowledge. The related field of mathematical statistics develops statistical theory with mathematics. Statistics, the science concerned with collecting and analyzing data, is an autonomous discipline (and not a subdiscipline of applied mathematics).

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KIDS WILL ABSOLUTELY LEARNING ABOUT THIS NEXT ONE!!!!!!!!!

GAME THEORY!!!!

Game theory is a branch of mathematics that uses models to study interactions with formalized incentive structures ("games"). It has applications in a variety of fields, including economics, evolutionary biology, political science, social psychology and military strategy.

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THIS NEXT ONE IS BORING AS HELL BUT ONE NEEDS TO KNOW IT!!!!

Operations Research

Operations Research is the study and use of mathematical models, statistics and algorithms to aid in decision-making, typically with the goal of improving or optimizing performance of real-world systems.

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Methodology!!!!

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Mathematical Statements

A Mathematical Statement amounts to a proposition or assertion of some mathematical fact, formula, or construction. Such statements include axioms and the theorems that may be proved from them, conjectures that may be unproven or even unprovable, and also algorithms for computing the answers to questions that can be expressed mathematically.

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General concepts

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Mathematical objects

Among mathematical objects are numbers, functions, sets, a great variety of things called "spaces" of one kind or another, algebraic structures such as rings, groups, or fields, and many other things.

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THIS NEXT ONE SHOULD BE TAUGHT THROUGH OUT THE ENTIRE 1ST GRADE TO 12TH GRADE EDUCATIONARY PROCESS!!!!

Equations named after people.

Scientific equations named after people



IF SCHOOL YEAR TIME ALLOWS.........

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Integrals in Calculus

The integral of a function is a generalization of area, mass, volume, sum, and total. The following pages list the integrals of many different functions.

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Journals

THE LISTING OF JOURNALS A STUDENT SHOULD READ IS A SUBJECTIVE ISSUE HOWEVER THIS PARTICULAR LIST IS WORKS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.


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Now if any other member can think of something I MISSED....PLEASE ADD IT ONTO THE LIST!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Now Oe Mind.....I NEVER posted that a well rounded education was not important.

I SPECIFICALLY POSTED THAT SCIENCE, MATHEMATICS AND COMPUTER SCIENCE SHOULD BE 60% OF A STUDENTS CURRICULUM!!!!

That leaves 40%....which is MORE THAN ENOUGH OF A PERCENTAGE....for Lit, Art, Business, A Trade, Skill...etc.

But due to the current REALITY of our world....that is now HEAVILY RELIANT...and I even believe....TOO RELIANT....upon AUTOMATED COMPUTER SYSTEMS....as KIDS TODAY....certainly understand and are capable of running and opperating any COMPUTER SYSTEM....but only a VERY LOW PERCENTAGE KNOW HOW TO DESIGN, ENGINEER, FIX, RECALIBRATE...ETC.....HIGHLY ADVANCED COMPUTER BASED SYSTEMS!!!!

And these Computer Based Systems are going to keep on becoming more complex and as we all know QUANTUM COMPUTERS ARE NOT ONLY REAL....BUT YOU CAN BUY COMPUTER PROCESSORS IN PERSON OR ONLINE AS LONG AS YOUR FBI, NSA AND CANADIAN EQUIVELENT BACKGROUND CHECK ALLOWS YOU TO PURCHASE ONE OR MORE!!!

AboveAlpha

 

I really just wanted a simple explaniation as to why specialization is either a good or bad thing. I'm not denying that science and math should be taught, just how intense it should be.

 

Science is simply a METHOD....and currently THE BEST AVAILABLE METHOD to help us determine and learn about any and all aspects of REALITY!!!

HELL....if a person was to earn a degree in ART HISTORY AND BRUSH STROKE TEQUNIQUE AND METHODOLOGY....such a Bachelors Degree would be a B.S.....Bachelors of Science.

AboveAlpha

 

So then 100% of a student's classes would be a Science then?

 

The upcoming student riot...

 

SPECIALIZATION IS BAD!!!

A person or student must now more than ever chose to earn MULTIPLE DEGREES like I did as in this MULTI-TASKING.....100 MILLION MILES AN HOUR.....24/7....365 DAYS A YEAR WORK PLACE....and although not many people might not believe it......NO GROUP OR NATION OF PEOPLE ON EARTH DO IT BETTER THAN THE AMERICAN'S AND CANADIAN'S!!!!


The WORLDS RANKED #1. MOST ON AVERAGE MOST PRODUCTIVE.....#1. MOST CAPABLE....RANKED #1. MOST ABLE TO SOLVE PROBLEMS WITHOUT HAVING TO RESORT TO WAITING FOR THE BOSS TO MAKE A DECISSION AS AMERICAN'S AND CANADIAN'S JUST MAKE DECISSIONS ON THEIR OWN AS SUCH A THING IS CULTURAL....where in Japan, South Korea or China.....making a decisson on your own even if you can't locate your BOSS.....and your decission was not only able to solve the problem but as well solve a WEEKLY OR DAILY SUPPLY CONTRACT....as this person took an educated guess and chance and even though it worked and saved their company Millions of Dollars.....where in the United States or Canada such an employee would BECOME EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH....AND GET A SUBSTANCIAL BONUS AND BAY RAISE WITH A FEW PERKS.........

........if the exact same thing happened in Japan, China or South Korea.....for an EMPLOYEE to go over their Bosses Head and make a decission even though their decission worked.....USUALLY ENDS UP WITH THE FIRING OF THE COMPANY SAVIOR!!!!!

Fact is.....U.S. Workers RANK ALMOST #1 IN EVERY SINGLE EXISTING CATEGORY!!!

All but one.....TIME OFF!!!

AboveAlpha

 

I am appalled too; that doesn't mean that knowledge in basic science is socially acceptable.