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scientific evidence of God

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  1. Prof_Sarcastic

    Prof_Sarcastic New Member

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    Yes, "not very often". In the space of the solar system, over 14 billion years (ish), life happened once. Perhaps, if we wait another 14 billion years, a random sand sculpture will indeed appear.
     
    Prof_Sarcastic, Apr 21, 2014
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    The truth seems to be something man can recognize and acknowledge when the issue becomes clear.
    We saw Rev Martin Luther King change America simply by telling the truth against "Separate but equal."
     
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  3. AboveAlpha

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    You know this is the kind of reply that gives some Christian's a BAD NAME!!!

    This is also the type of response that Pope John Paul II and many other Christian Leaders attempted to WARM other Christian's NOT TO HAVE after the Pope and just about all other Christian Leaders accepted Evolution as a reality back at first in the late 1980's and then again in 1996.

    Just because there is no evidence supporting that a GOD exists does not mean anyone of FAITH and having Faith that is not fragile but strong cannot accept REALITY and then state...even though I am aware of many scientific realities and the complete lack of tangible evidence that could prove a GOD exists does not matter for a person of FAITH.

    FAITH....having a strong conviction and belief in something that does not have evidence or proof to show it exists....is what RELIGION is about.

    Religion and Faith is certainly not about needing PROOF to believe.

    YOUR reply demonstrates how truly FRAGILE your Faith truly is as for you to have to resort to description of what your Religious Texts say about the Holy Spirit of anything else that only FAITH will allow one to believe and then post to me angrily as YOU KNOW AND FEEL the FRUSTRATION as you incomprehensibly attempt to connect YOUR RELIGION...with Scientific and Mathematical Realities....well FAITH exists because such a thing is NOT POSSIBLE.

    AboveAlpha
     
    AboveAlpha, Apr 22, 2014
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    We don't actually know that life has happened only once. Random sand sculptures occur all the time. Go to the beach or the desert.

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    This is quite a simplification of the civil rights movement.
     
    CourtJester, Apr 22, 2014
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    YOU said that:
    Quote Originally Posted by goober View Post
    Now, produce the Data or stop making this bogus claim
     
    LogicallyYours, Apr 22, 2014
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  6. iamkurtz

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    Disprove my data. You can be the first. Good luck.
     
    iamkurtz, Apr 22, 2014
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    PRODUCE THE DATA. Good luck
     
    LogicallyYours, Apr 22, 2014
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    iamkurtz Banned

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    Asked and answered.
     
    iamkurtz, Apr 22, 2014
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    Unlike this one: What was it that I said was "plagued by assumptions, both written and unwritten. But primarily, it's a dishonest bait-and-switch, conflating evolution with the big bang"?

    You seem unwilling or unable to admit that I was responding to your post #513 when I said this, because you said I never responded to it, and admitting that I did would highlight a minor mistake on your part. If you have not been honest enough to even admit such a minor error, why should we believe anything at all you say about more serious matters?
     
    Prof_Sarcastic, Apr 22, 2014
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    Your data is dependent on the universe being a closed system. Demonstrate that the universe is a closed system.
     
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    And your 'proof' of claim (that which is highlighted in red letter) is located where?
     
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    Yeah, NO. The article you linked to, Millers article does nothing more than make assertions and wrong claims about Thermodynamics and the Theory of Evolution. Second, there is no "data".

    http://biologos.org/questions/evolution-and-the-second-law

    Now, present the "data" that supports the idea that Thermodynamics disproves Evolution. I know you can't because it doesnt exist.
     
    LogicallyYours, Apr 22, 2014
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    If there is ignorance on how the holy spirit works, maybe the holy spirit or its teacher is doing a bad job of getting the message out.
     
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    Ok, I can agree that the first law of Thermodynamics says that all matter and energy currently in existance has always existed in some form.

    A) Please illustrate how this relates to the belief that the energy was ever self-aware.

    B) While you're at it, please explain how, despite that energy currently taking the form of matter and quantifiable forms of energy, that hypothetical self-aware energy mass that you call "God" was not diminished (a violation of the first law of thermodynamics).

    ...and that's without even beginning to discuss whether this "God" character would be aware of humankind, much less care about individuals and conform to a specific dogma.
     
    Logician0311, Apr 22, 2014
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    Well, in this secular society in which we all reside, it is said that anything is possible. Now are you making an absolute declaration or just speculating of a POSSIBILITY? Your use of the word "maybe" is indicative of you being uncertain about the Holy Spirit or its teacher.
     
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    Of course. If there was certainty there would be no question on what the holy spirit wants. Since you seem to be special, you are the only one I know of that knows what the holy spirit wants. And you don't do any job at all conveying the message, if there is one.
     
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    Have you ever heard of someone being a member of a 'sleeper cell'? (bad analogy but effective). When the instructions are given for me to commence an activity then I will do so. I am not at your beckoning call nor am I obligated to attend your whims. But thanks for the vote of confidence.
     
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    I have as much confidence in you as Wanren, mittryan or cupid dave. You are in good company. All post like wolves in sheeps clothing. Cept dave, he just has a weird sexual hangup.
    But at least you think you are so so special.
     
    dairyair, Apr 23, 2014
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    What I stated is completely obvious in it's reality to anyone reading your post.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Wow! You speak so negatively about others yet you display language indicating that you know how people think. Please tell me... what am I thinking as you read this post?

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    Please define the reality of " it's ".
     
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    My post is simply reiterating REALITY....thus....IT'S....refers to what I am posting that you highlighted.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    You don't understand what someone posts.
    I posted nothing about how I know what others think, just posted about how they post.
     
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    You know that last time I posted LINKS to Science Specific Websites that had Astronomical Specific Pictures I upon a Topic that was specific to a debate about the existence of a GOD....several Christian's went to the Linked Sites and posted back to me that in several pictures of the Cosmos taken by the Hubble Space Telescope they could SEE GOD!!!!

    Last time I did that.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Scientific evidence must be demonstrated by being repeatable by other scientists, or be expected by a study of the evidence and known theory or both you can't do that with god which would be outside natural order.
     
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