Seriously...What would it take for a GOD to prove itself?

Jury-level of proof would change everything. No one can produce it, despite them knowing they want to, to win a Nobel Prize, and also to "save" millions (but not everybody) of non-believing souls from "hell". You require jury-level of proof before legally even punishing a person for even stealing a candy bar, so why not require it for something far far more important - one's overall belief system!?

 

What evidence??

That's the problem as no evidence exists.

AboveAlpha

 

Thank you for your service, by the way.

 

Wga....I made a mistake.

It say's....Stargate Command.

AboveAlpha

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I am not Military....but I have served as I am..."CIVILIAN"....in the manner the quotes denote.

AboveAlpha

 

You know, me saying someone is greater than the "greatest person of all time" (Jesus) is a big risk on my part, as I could potentially look frickin insane by doing so....but let me risk it one more time here, since I have a feeling about you: AboveAlpha, if YOU had said evidence, evidence that would keep millions from going to "hell" (say you had Jesus' supposed super-powers), would YOU provide said evidence to the world, or would you keep it under wraps like Jesus obviously has done for 2000 years and counting? Obviously I'm going out on a limb here daring to compare someone to the "greatest person ever", I do realize.
Your answer?

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Without "civilian" support/backup, soldiers could not function for very long, obviously.

 

You have seen NOTHING compared to the horrors that Jesus/Allah allegedly have in store for your (non-believing) family members. Nothing. So take those horrors (I believe you when you say they are horrific, of course) and multiply them by a million, and then you'll start to be in the ball-park regarding the alleged horrors of Jesus' own Auschwitz. It would be great if Christians/Muslims were moral enough to pray to their god to change his ways and allow moral non-believers (their "crime" is believing in science over superstition!) to avoid "hell"! If you had the power, I'm sure you'd change that horrific scheme, as of course I believe you're more moral than Jesus/Allah.

 

Only an infinite evil would demand infinite punishment.

 

But that's exactly the point. It wouldn't matter how much evidence existed. Even if there was a theoretically overwhelming amount. Because by your own admission, it would never be enough. That is choice. Not observation.

I do applaud your honesty here in admitting that, though. Most people do not have that kind of clarity.

 

Well if I was Jesus and some supposed SON OF GOD with suerpowers what I would do is LEAVE PEOPLE THE F@$# ALONE!!!

Perhaps if an actual HEVEN existed I would do what I could to make people understand that it did and if this meant using superpowers then sure...I would do that.

But only if I could get the message out to EVERYONE AT THE SAME TIME!!

I certainly would not do this on so limited a scale as Jesus did....and I certainly would not tell people they would have to worship me or Dad just so they could have an afterlife.

After all why would a GOD need people to kiss it's A$$?

AboveAlpha

 

I'm just pointing out you might not want to be chummy with the Baal people.

 

My point is even if enough evidence was presented to convince me a GOD existed....that does not mean I should be forced to worship such a GOD just to live well or die well or have an afterlife.

We are all the products of our Parents as they made us. Do this mean we have to PRAY to them?

AboveAlpha

 

Aw, man! My crystal ball said that's where the treasure trove is. That's disappointing!

I'm going to take one of those brooms and fly around your head with it!

LOL!!!

 

Achieve Orbit around my Melon? LOL!!

AboveAlpha

 

I'm glad it was you who elected to use that descriptive adjective (Melon).

 

With almost every post you make you rise above Jesus even further, it appears to me.

You'd do that to "EVERYONE AT THE SAME TIME" because you are FAIRER than Jesus, clearly! You prioritize fairness towards others over your own ego, unlike Jesus. You'd inform the people of, say, India, just as well as you'd inform the people of the holy land! It's obviously not their fault where they were born, so you wouldn't discriminate against them like Jesus did. If I'm reading you correctly, your "chosen people" would be, well......EVERYBODY!

It's hard to be humble when you're more moral than Jesus, so don't worry too much if you're not super humble 100% of the time. The next time you walk in front of a mirror, say to yourself that that person you see is even fairer than Jesus.

Think about that, you are clearly fairer than the "best person of all time". That's something to be proud of.
Some people think you are a "sinner", in fact were even BORN that way.....but we know better.

 

The thing is my morality is SELF EVIDENT....and many people understand the basic logical morality of treat other people as you would like to be treated.

It is not something one has to learn by reading about such morality in a book.

It is obvious....self evident.

AboveAlpha

 

But don't get too excited, because the Bible says we're supposed to kill you then (you witch.)
Exodus 22:18: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
I'm not a Christian anymore because I got tired of following the book all the time (you know, killing my children because they disrespected me, killing my gay neighbors, etc.)

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Yes, but religious people do NOT believe that.

 

Yeah...I know...believe me I know.

AboveAlpha

 

FreedomSeeker, I see you're buttering up AboveAlpha with your Transcending Jesus talk that you're laying on thick tonight.

What's up with that?

 

I'll take what buttering I can get! LOL!!

AboveAlpha

 

Yes, you seem far too moral to believe that a book that approves of slavery, rape, mal-treatment of women/gays, etc. is the best moral guide book of all time!

I can tell that you also think for yourself.

You also bring forward the best parts of other belief systems (you've basically favorably quoted the Golden Rule), but Jesus never seemed to do that, as such....was too arrogant to ever credit any predecessor with anything (Buddha said the golden rule before Jesus did, etc.) Your ego doesn't seem to get in the way of doing the right thing, unlike Jesus.

 

I sometimes relieve stress by imagining that the person annoying me has many miniature versions of the Wicked Witch of the West flying around their head.

That's not to suggest that anyone here is annoying me. It's just something I think about.

 

You flatter me way too much.

AboveAlpha

 

So you and AA have determined what is the "right thing" to do? How noble of you. Therefore, if someone does something that you determine to be the wrong thing to do, then they are wrong, evil, corrupted, bad, etc. LOL.

 

Very valid question, as it MIGHT almost seem like I'm writing this from a cell deep (DEEP) inside a mental ward - saying that someone is even better than Jesus.

Let me ask you this: what have I said that's not simply TRUE? I honestly believe that everything I've said is true. People simply don't realize how GREAT humans can be. Modern Secular HUMANism.....not CHRISTianty, nor BUDDHism, nor MOHAMMADism, but HUMANism. Pretty much everything I'm saying about him is what I've felt (and sometimes written) about crank, Wyrd of Gawd, Gorn Captain, Wolverine, Sam Harris, etc.

I believe in humanity more than Allah/Jesus ever did, since humanity far exceeds Allah/Jesus. Jesus allegedly endured torture to "save" humanity, but most of our troops, given that same opportunity, would do the same as Jesus....but would even be willing to endure longer/worse torture.....to "save" even fewer people! Think about that.

Especially when people follow the principles of Modern Secular Humanism, they deserve as much respect as we give to the "gods/prophets" (i.e. Moses, Mohammad, Jesus, Zeus, the 10 Sikh gurus, Elijah, etc.)