Settlements in Judea and Samaria are legal

I honestly cannot believe people still see Zionism as a tenable position. The settlements are illegal under international law. End of story. I don't care if they're the most backward people in the history of man. I don't care if God promised the land to the Jews. I don't care if Arabs saw fit to attack Jews before the creation of the Israeli state. I don't care if they lost every war thereafter. I don't care if Jews made the desert bloom (which they didn't). I just don't bloody care. The settlements are illegal. It is illegal to acquire territory through war. End of (*)(*)(*)(*)ing story. Israel exists, like most other states, as an original injustice but it's there now and what has been done cannot be undone. I'm not gonna leave my house and give it back to Indigenous Australians, nor should any Israeli living inside the 67' borders. But the settlements are illegal and must be dismantled, and handed back to their rightful owners. And a two-state solution, which the majority of the world's people favour, needs to be implemented. Apologists for Zionism, like the suicide bombers they rightly despise, do not have a leg on which to stand.

 

I don't believe that the Israel experiment is durable. Its early results are wholly discouraging and its hosts, the Palestinians, have succeeded in having their parasite confined to the Green Line, in legal terms.

 

Novels about Arabs and Jews written by a Jew? Yes, unimpeachable, unbiased and factual sources, undoubtedly...

 

Well if the Jewish author in question was a serious and well-respected scholar, I wouldn't see why not (I don't of course consider Uris as one).

 

How come you use the secondary source, not the primary source of the Anglo American Committee that your link sources. Is it too hard or does it not suit your cherry picking.

Speaking of which, how come you do not show from 1936 to 1944 production of grain amongst the Arabs actually dropped 20% and that England had to import grain to Palestine so that Arabs would not starve?

Further how come you ignore Oranges which is the only real export of Palestine and you have yet to mention Milk.

I guess because when you cherry pick you can make things seem as they are not.

Anyhow, all improvements of Arab agriculture are a result of the British, in spite of Arab's backwardness.

 

Provable racist bollox. You have been shown the truth and are in denial. You are a troll.

 

Isreal never existed during the British adminstrative rule of Palestine. Palestine existed and the residents and citizens were predominately non-Jewish and never consented to an Jewish nation being established in their homeland.

 

But it's the Palestinian's who are occupying Israel not the other way round, right, Kotcher?

 

It's all here for folk to read for themselves;

http://www.amazon.com/Survey-Palest...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268959450&sr=1-1

Cheap.

Palestine Remembered has scanned it all for free ;
http://www.palestineremembered.com/

Irrefutably, it was the Palestinians who ' made the desert bloom '.

 

Hmm, and I wonder why Palestine has such a paucity of exports. It couldn't possibly be that Israel won't permit the Palestinians to trade anything else, could it? Surely not!

 

The problem is even worse than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Palestine

To summarize the illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank control the deep wells that provide the water and the Israeli government is stopping the Palestinians from drilling their own deep wells forcing them to purchase water from the Israelis at monopolistic prices. In Gaza the Israeli military destroyed the water and water sanitation facilities and the blockaid of Gaza has prevented the import of the necessary materials and parts for the Palestinians to repair their water supply system.

Ground water supplies are not the only problem. The Jordan River is the only major river and it's water is shared between four countries. Under international laws Israel has a responsibility to share it's portion of Jordan River water with the Palestinians under the occupational control of the Israeli government but it does not. All of the water allocated to Israel from the Jordan River is being diverted to Israeli farmland and homes.

http://thewe.biz/weplanet/news/water/water_war_leaves_palestinians_thirsty.htm

Water, more than anything else, is necessary for human survival. Agriculture and industry cannot exist without water. In the arid conditions of Palestine the Israelis are systematically and intentionally denying precious water to the Palestinians that is required for a Palestinian economy while Israel turns vast tracts of arid desert into farmland with water that belongs to the Palestinians.

 

Yes, and population transfers associated with these crimes are contrary to international and humanitarian law. Future reparation payments ought to drain every Zionist bank account worldwide.

 

Yes, hit them where it hurts most-their pockets.

 

lol, true. I'm just waiting for him to cite Bellow's Jerusalem. Or Camus perhaps.

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That's a disgusting slander. The Arabs were the agricultural superiors of the Crusaders, so spare us all the usual vulgarity about oranges in Jaffa.

 

Zionism's stock in trade.

 

Read Israeli internal documents from the 70's and 80's. The amount of talk about water is ten fold that of security. Manifestly colonialist intent and thinking.

 

It belonged to Turkey. By never overthrowing Ottoman rule, the Arabs forfeited their right to self-determination. England won control over the Middle East by defeating Turkey, ending a 600-year jihad. That was true international justice, not the appeasement of backward warrior tribes that we have today.

Israel should follow the traditional law of punishing aggressors through taking part of their territory. Every rocket fired by from Gaza or Lebanon should be punished by taking an acre of the enemy's land. Postmodern laws are decadent and suicidal. This must stop. Unfortunately, only Israel is following the road to a safe future. How long must the self-hating cowardice of other fit nations go on?

The wolf is at the door, its fangs dripping with oil. Girlymen multiculties want to pet it and bring it into our home.

 

Why do you believe that in modern times, with a more modern "general government" at our disposal?

 

Jews will not listen to appeasers. They've been down that road before.

 

I believe the worst is over for that region now that there is another State at the disposal of the People who were State-less before.

 

National sovereignty is based upon the sovereignty of the individuals living within the territory of the nation. Britian did not acquire national sovereignty over Palestine at the end of WW I but instead acquired adminstrative authority over that land under the League of Nations. Under the League of Nations authority Britain had one responsibility and one responsibility alone and that was to develop the political competence of the residents of Palestine so that they could achieve self-government. That was the only adminstrative authority the British had under the League of Nations. Britian had no authority to give Palestine to European Jews which would violate the sovereignty of the Palestinian People (that included Arabs, Jews, Christians and others).

The fact is that in 1967 Israel provoked a conflict with the Arab nations (according the Mosha Dayan) and then invaded Egypt, Jordan and Syria for the express purpose of acquiring territory by military conquest. The United Nations Security Council expressly established that the acquistion of territory based upon war was unacceptable with the unanimous vote on UNSC Resolution 242 and required Israel to withdraw it's military from the territories occupied by the Israeli military during that invasion. Israel, as a treaty member of the United Nations, has a mandatory responsibility to comply with ALL UNSC resolutions.

The Palestinians, 45 years after Israel was required to leave the occupied territories, is fighting for their sovereignty that Israel has violated. A People have every right to fight for their sovereignty against a foreign nation occupying their lands. Not all of the actions of the Palestinians comply with the laws and customs of war and are war crimes. At the sametime Israel has not complied with the laws and customs of war either and is also responsible for war crimes.

All individuals responsible for these war crimes on both sides should be brought to justice, period, and Israel should be forced to comply with international laws and mandates from the UN Security Council by withdrawing from the territories it has been illegally occupying for the last 45 years.

 

<<<MOD EDIT>>The Arabs sided with the Allies and revolted against the Ottomans in return for Arab independence.

<<MOD EDITersonal attack.>>

 

What a disgusting reply. Not allowing powerful nations to steal the land of others is decadent? You're a moron. Every rocket fired from Gaza or Lebanon should be punished by taking an acre of the enemy's land? I suppose then you're in favour of handing every square inch of the north American mainland over to the Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians?

Israel is the aggressor. Palestine isn't occupying Israel. Palestine didn't expropriate and annex Israel.

 

I bought my property from a Spaniard. I have deeds to it.

So what? Can I claim independence on it? Can I refuse to obey the laws of the land on it? You guys are really scraping the bottom of the barrel to justify the Zionist illegal occupation.

 

What a medieval justification. How quaint. But how naive.

You need to study the major changes in international protocol and laws after WW1. I suggest that you look at the Covenant of the League of Nations; at the Kellogg-Briant-Pact; and even further back to the Hague conventions.

Tell me what cave you live in so that I can bring my club-swinging Neanderthal mates ... then you might understand that protocols and custom have changed with time since the Palaeolithic.

Turkey!! It belonged to Turkey?? What a lovely spin on real history.

As Goomba pointed out .... tell that to the Irish descendants of the 1920s. They will show you the nearest exit back home ... and very promptly too. They hold no truck with BS-hitters on the subject of foreign colonialism. Neither do the Palestinians. Neither does most of the world, the exceptions being the GoPs from the US and empire-wannabacks in Britian..