Sheriff Arpaio revives birther controversy at Trump rally

That has been your mantra. I'm the only one who has provided proof that they are fakes.

Nobody has proven that they are real.

 

Actually that is according to the 14th Amendment.

And Barack Obama is eligible by virtue of being born in the United States.

 

Why are you unsure of the presidents name?

but he IS a citizen by virtue of where he was born.

and according to the US supreme court, EVERYONE inside US borders is "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" with only 2 exceptions. diplomats and invading armies.

Plyler v Doe.

 

You are the only one who has posted Birther crap- you have proven nothing.

For proof- I refer you to the official site of the State of Hawaii

http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/files/2013/05/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf
http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/faq-obama/

 

no, that is simply reality.

nope. nobody has ever determined them to be fakes.

I have.

 

And Cruz is not...

 

Sure. Why don't you show us? You have nothing. The first post doesn't provide any proof that you say it does.
Why don't you provide a link to this mythical post that proves me wrong?

 

I am not disputing any of the above.

What I am saying, for the umpteenth time, is that the two birth certificates that are alleged to be Obama's
birth certificates are both fakes.

 

Tell us what Plyler vs Doe is about. I am not familiar with that case. Most of us aren't lawyers.

Regardless, there is a dispute that has been ongoing for years what it means to be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

Those are the two qualifications as stated in the Constitution as to who may run for president.

If you don't meet those two, you are disqualified. It says nothing about qualifications other than that.

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This is a stupid semantics argument. I don't think Obama is qualified, yet, there he is. That is a judgement on how well they
will do the job, not if they can be elected.

 

You know we've been over this argument again and again. The State of Hawaii has never presented
the birth certificate to the public. Nobody has seen the actual birth certificate as has been acknowledged
by people on your side. All we have to go on is the ones on the internet. The State of Hawaii has never
verified the authenticity of those.

 

it's in the link YOU provided.

 

Well you just deny but provide no proof.

I provided proof, and you know it, you've seen it.

You've provided nothing.

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Well that is what you keep saying. I don't see it. Why don't you show us?

Because you can't, that's why.

 

but you don't have any evidence they are fakes.

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/457/202

no there isn't. it was addressed in Wong Kim Ark and completely settled in Plyler v Doe.

in order to be eligible. simply being eligible doesn't "qualify" a person to be president.

nobody said it did.

 

Except for the official statement from the only expert qualified to determine of the birth certificates are authentic of course, lol.

and I refuted what you posted.

Except for the official statement from the only expert qualified to determine of the birth certificates are authentic of course, lol.

 

You can download the pfd on your own home computer, open it up in Adobe Photoshop Editor, and prove
it yourself. Have you tried? I have. It is layered. It is proof it is a forgery.

 

Hahaha. That has to do with school attendance, not citizenship.

Wong Kim Ark did address it, it says you have to be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".
Because his parents were legal immigrants, the court ruled they were.

Well someone said Cruz wasn't qualified.

 

Let's take what you say at face value. You are saying that they certified the birth certificate. Well, where is it? Nobody has seen it.

Now, you will point to the one on the internet. Well, they have not certified the one on the internet. That is the point.

I just provided proof that the one on the internet is a fake.

 

Here is the OP. This is proof that the birth certificate is a fake. Please prove me wrong. I dare you.

 

Well then you are disputing 3,4,5,6 above- since as I showed- the State of Hawaii has verified that both documents are authentic and valid.

That is actual proof- as opposed to nothing that you have provided.

 

That is not proof- that is your opinion citing a blog and WND.

Proof is what the State of Hawaii says- which is that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii- and that both birth certificates that were released are authentic and legitimate.

 

Subject to the jurisdiction thereof means you are on US soil and subject to US law... like Obama's father was in the US on a student visa so he was subject to US jurisdiction.

 

The State of Hawaii doesn't present birth certificates to the public- they present birth certificates to individuals entitled to receive them- as they did to Barack Obama.

Several people have seen the certified, authentic and legal birth certificates that have been published- among them are two Directors of Health of Hawaii, and Hawaii's Registrar of Records. Two staffers of Politifact saw the hard copy of the 2008 BC because they were the only ones who asked to see the hard copy. A room full of reporters, including Savannah Guthrie and WND's own reporter saw the hard copy versions of the certified photocopy in 2011.

The State of Hawaii has verified the authenticity of both.

http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/faq-obama/

You just ignore actual evidence and pretend that Birther's opinions are anything more than Birther opinions.

 

Once again, you are completely wrong. The State of Hawaii, has never, said the documents, on the internet,
are authentic. What they have said, is that they, provided the documents to Obama. Nobody, nobody, has
seen the documents they claim to have verified. Even your side admits that.

Show me show me show me. Please, please, please.

Show me one expert that says those are real.

 

In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii's health director reiterated this afternoon that she has personally seen Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

What exactly is the point in dispute?