Sheriff Arpaio revives birther controversy at Trump rally

and everyone in that thread succeeded.

nope. none of the people you cited ever even saw the BC. I gave you the highest ranking expert on Hawaiian BC's, and her official statement authenticating it.

except for all the people who did of course.

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correct, reality doesn't simply change because you are delusional.

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of course they are. the HIGHEST qualified document examiners regarding Hawaiian vital records.

of course they do.

she hadn't seen it at the time.

 

What is a "certified" document expert? Who certifies them?

I find this clinging to poorly scripted, long dispelled, highly partisan conspiracy theories to spit int eh face of reality and fact to be most fascinating.

Why is ti the only "news" outlets claiming that the president's birth certificates are fake are (*)(*)(*)(*), for lack of a better term? No one, not even Fox, seems to agree with sites like WND on the matter.

 

Well being thats what the US is based on there is no further use arguing with you.

JFKs

You havent refuted anything

 

Like the red line. Like russia outright annexing part of another country under his watch. I dont need to name more, but you have to understand that at least part of the country feels that people respect America a lot less under his watch which leads to these things. Even that nuclear deal is suspect as it gives plenty of advance warning. I really don't think russia would have done an outright annexation of crimea under bush or even clinton.

Honestly this entire thing is part of the whole frustration with doing everything but not getting ahead in life which is fueling both Trump and Sanders.

 

actually, the US is based on constitutional law, not a non existent natural law.

OK?

every single statement you have made in our exchange has been refuted.

 

The foundation of the US is the DOI not the constitution. I know its just a worthless piece of paper to you.

Just as i have refuted every one of yours.

 

Feel free to show links showing where one person proved me wrong.

They saw the birth certificate on the website which is a fake.

What people? Link?

This is what you always get reduced to just as in the other threads. You can't disprove what I say,
you have no proof of your own, so you are left with nothing but ad hom attacks which violate Rule 3
of the forum TOS rules.

Once again, you are free to prove me wrong. If you have information showing they are CDE's,
please, feel free to present that. They never have ever validated the one on the website is
the one they gave to the president without a qualifier.

 

Sorry, Certified Document Examiner.

They are people that validate authenticity. They are experts in their fields. They are often handwriting experts as well.

 

So … You suggest that either The Donald -- or Sheriff Joe -- would have parachuted in and gotten bin Laden personally …

uh huh

 

Oh.

What is the name of this certification organization? Just want to be sure if I present a counter to your assertions my examiner is up to snuff.

 

nope. the DOI simply announced our intention to break away from british control. the constitution is the legal mechanism by which the country operates.

it isn't worthless at all. It just has no legal weight.

but I actually have refuted you. And I can provide court rulings supporting me, you can only cite birther nonsense and irrelevant documents/texts which have no legal weight.

 

Under the intent of the Constitution, neither is Obama.

But the Democrat party has made it very clear, if the GOP takes the White House in 2016 they will run Vladimir Putin for President in 2020. Ot they might run one of Obama's Muslim Syrian refugees for POTUS.

”When one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other a foreign national, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for a total of 10 years prior to birth of the child with FIVE of the years after the age of 14.”

Someone who was a minor and had sex (raped) by an adult African Marxist and was knocked up and nine months later popped out a red diaper baby was not old enough to register Obama’s birth in Hawaii or anywhere else in the U.S. as a Natural Born Citizen as she did not meet the residency requirements!

 

you linked directly to the thread.

you can't determine if a certificate is fake based on a digital image. you have to actually see the document.

you already linked to it.

uh, reminding you that you have been proven wrong is not an ad hom or a violation of rule 3.

Director of the Department of Health. That is the HIGHEST level of expert regarding vital records. there is no one above that position.

of course they have

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lol, you understand the statute you cited was for birth abroad right? Obama could have been born to martians on US soil and he would still be eligible.

 

You can't find it on Google?

http://www.documentexaminers.org/certified.shtml

 

I just want to use the organization you use in the course of my counter-argument.

So here is a list of "certified experts", correct? We agree on that?

http://www.documentexaminers.org/certified.shtml

But in this post,, and you did bring this thread into the conversation, the cited expert in the video, Mara Zebest is not on that list.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=389391&p=1064590515#post1064590515

 

Which should make it that much easier for you to prove your accusation.

Right, I'll agree. But they can prove that the document that was posted is a fraud. They can prove the digital image is fake.

Right. I already acknowledged I provided a link. Now show me what people? Link?

But calling me delusional is.

Being a director is not the same as being a CDE.

I guess I'll have to take your word on that.

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I never said she was a CDE.

 

Okay. So whom are these "CDE" certified experts decrying the birth certificate as fraudulent?

 

This has all been covered over and over in the threads that I linked to. Feel free to read them.

If you find that I am wrong, please let me know. Try using the search thread feature. Try "CDE".

 

Hah. The left is so concerned with a birther theory and completely ignores the fact that their favorite Candidate is under Federal Investigation (by a Democrat-headed DOJ).

Fake scandals for Hillary! But this is real news!

Guys got your priorities all out of whack.

 

Hillary is my favorite candidate?

 

I said the left's favorite candidate. You quoted my post. I said "their".

I hope that helped clear up your confusion. Feel free to edit your post if you'd like to feel less embarrassed for having misread.

 

Not at all. Too much pride to do such a thing.

What has "the left" to do with Arpaio's comments?

 

What they are doing right now. Whine about it. Meanwhile, trying to elect someone who is under Federal Investigation.

It's quite funny how blind the left is. They call Hillary's federal investigation a "fake scandal" and seriously complain about some friggin birther conspiracy.

That's how you know they aren't voting on someone qualified.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if the Democrats do run a Martian for President in 2024.

Re: Obama, Obama don't surf so he could have never been citizen of Hawaii.

I prefer using the Law of Nature, "Son follows the condition of his father." It's what the authors of the Fourteenth Amendment used when they wrote the Amendment to the Constitution.

Barack Hussein Obama was conceived on or around November of 1960 out of wedlock.

 

Are they? Are the conspiracy theories promoted by a presidential candidate, ones that deny fact and reality, not a relevant thread topic?