Sheriff Arpaio revives birther controversy at Trump rally

Never said they weren't relevant. Lol this is funny. I said it's funny that they are focusing on this, meanwhile, they say nothing about the Federal Investigations of their favorite candidate. This is just Trump whining about Obama being a muslim. The REAL issues are the Democrat Candidate who is under Federal Investigation.

-Trump says something no ones cares about vs. Hillary under Federal Investigations. Hmmmm. Now I'm starting to see where you lean.

 

Sorta kinda, but not even remotely on the same scale. At least there was some evidence (admittedly weak) for the AWOL claim.

With the birthers, they are directly attacking the legitimacy of the president to be president by spewing completely unsubstantiated accusations with zero evidence. Classic conspiracy garbage that even when irrefutable evidence is presented, it is discounted as hoax.

 

I dress right.

I jest.

Which way do I lean? Depends on what direction I am facing I suppose.

 

Deflections are cute. Also a sign of weakness.

 

I believe our good sheriff should convince Mr. Trump to let him be Master at Arms on His new cruiser.

 

Good to know. I promise to not invoke Hillary's name as a matter of deflection for the remainder of this thread........shoot. That was not me.

 

go to the very first post after the OP in that thread.

no, they can't as they have nothing to compare it to.

very first post following your OP

no, it's pointing out a fact.

yes it is.

ok

 

there is no such thing. US law governs who is and who isn't a citizen of the US.

uh, no it isn't.

irrelevant. he was born on US soil, which by law makes him a US citizen.

 

I agree Cruz is not qualified.

But he is eligible.

 

Comparisons are not deflections. I both acknowledged, and gave my opinion on your thread. Where's your thread BTW condemning Hillary's run for President because she's under Federal Investigation for violating numerous NISP policies?

 

The point is, I set out to prove that the birther movement was a conspiracy theory
and so I wanted to prove that the birth certificates were real. I failed. I found more
evidence that they are fake than any evidence that they are real.

 

How very wierd then that what they actually said in the 14th Amendment has nothing to do with "Son follows the condition of his father"- it actually says the opposite

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Not one word about the 'father'. No concern about who the parents are at all- or the 'condition' of the parents.

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii- which all real Americans recognized meant that he was born a natural born citizen.

 

I disagree. I think it was more along the lines of a knee jerk reaction in defense of a party line.

 

Being born on US soil doesn't make you a US citizen. Children of diplomats are not US citizens for instance.

American Indians weren't citizens until Republican President Calvin Coolidge made them citizens.

 

A comparison both acknowledges the thread, and voices my opinion.

Your disagreement doesn't negate that fact.

 

His mother was an American, that is why he is an American. He could have been born in Canada or Kenya, it doesn't matter.

Being born on US soil doesn't make you an American. You have to be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

 

Any natural born citizen over the age of 35 is qualified.

 

of course it does, with only 2 exceptions.

which is one exception. the other is children born to an foreign invading army.

Wonderful. nothing at all in your post is in any way relevant to the fact Obama was born in Hawaii, and is of course eligible for the presidency.

 

You have provided no proof.

Thank you for playing.

 

By 'evidence' you mean- 'nothing that could be presented in a court of law'

What is the actual evidence that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii? By actual evidence I mean evidence that could be presented in a court of law to establish his place and time of birth?

Let us begin chronologically
1) His birth announcements- published in two different newspapers in Hawaii- with data supplied by the Hawaiian Department of Health- while these are not proof by themselves- they would be accepted as evidence to substantiate other claims.
2) Hawaii Birth Index Data- on file at the Department of Health- available for viewing by the public
http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/faq-obama/
3) Barack Obama's certified birth certificate- which Hawaii calls "Certification of Live Birth"- which was published in 2008, the hard copy of which was viewed by reporters from Politifact, and which the State of Hawaii confirmed as authentic in 2008 and 2011- this document is legal proof of Barack Obama's place and time of birth.
4) Confirmation by the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii in 2009 that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii
5) Barack Obama's certified photocopy of his certificate of live birth- published online in 2011, with the original certified copies shown to reporters, one of whom also published photo's of the BC- confirmed authentic by the State of Hawaii in 2011.
6) Confirmation by the Director of Health in 2011 that a) Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, that b) his original BC was on file and c) that the 2008 and 2011 birth certificates that were released were both legitimate and legal proof of place of birth.

No President in the history of the United States has had his place of birth so thoroughly confirmed.

So of course Birthers don't believe he was born in Hawaii.

 

no evidence exists showing they are fake. the only expert able to make such a determination has authenticated them.

fail

 

I never said Obama, if that is his name, was not eligible. In fact, quite the opposite, I said he is a US citizen, not by virtue of where he was born,
but because his mother was an American.

Oh, and the parents have to be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". That is according to the US Supreme Court.

 

everyone inside US borders is "subject to the jurisdiction of" the US. with only 2 exceptions. invading armies and diplomats. every single other person is "subject to the jurisdiction of".

Plyler v Doe.

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no, they are eligible. very big difference.

 

Hardly.

Any American natural born citizen who is over the age of 35 and who has been a resident of the United States for 14 years is eligible- but that has nothing to do with qualified.

To elaborate- any kid over the age of 16 is eligible to apply for a driver's license, but must prove that he or she is qualified to get a driver's license.

Eligible and Qualified are two different things- Cruz is eligible- but I don't think he is qualified- but that is merely my opinion.

 

I directed you to the first post of the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thread you linked to.

always happy destroying birther arguments.