Should Everyone Be Entitled To A Piece Of The Wealth Pie?

Whenever a Republican in this forum suggests that NOBODY is entitled to a piece of the wealth, it makes my blood boil. You guys need to realize that making the wealthy pay more in taxes has its purpose. It has the exact same purpose as the restriction that we set on commercial fishermen. All fisherman are entitled to their piece of the pie. But once they reach their limit, they have to leave so others have a chance to get their share. Saying that rich people should pay a FLAT tax is like saying that fishermen should be able to catch all the fish they want. The cycle must continue if you want the system to remain successful.

 

That is really funny, because up until very very recently. The idea of the Tax Code being used as a vehicle for Social Justice and Wealth Redistribution was patently hated in America by all classes. In fact, the words "Wealth Redistribution" were considered sinful even for Democrats to say and if they wanted to get elected they simply couldn't talk that way. I think even in 2008 Obama denied the charge that he wanted to "redistribute wealth". I remember that quite clearly in fact that he denied he supported that as a Candidate. So your own President even pandered to that sentiment!

Its only just recently that Democrats have been able to actually "come out of the closet" with what they want to use the US tax code for.

We're not Europe, here in America you are supposed to be able to keep what you kill. That is why people come here. To escape the onerous taxation of other nations.

This is why liberals hate Reagan so much. He changed many American's thinking from "It's my duty to support a Big Fat Government" to "Government is the problem" and that attitude hasn't shifted very much among mainstream America.

 

everyone is entitled to cut my lawn while I work to get back the piece of the pie that was stolen from me and given to them.

 

What makes someone "entitled" to something? I'd still like an answer to this. I asked you a similar question in another thread and you never answered that one either. You make this big fuss about people "deserving" things and being "entitled" to them, but you won't explain why.

I'd also like to add this. If you don't think a fisherman should be able to catch all the fish he wants, then you're living in the wrong country. America was founded on the idea of "the sky is the limit" prosperity. In other words, whatever you are willing to work for, you can have. No one can put a cap on your success because you are free.

 

Niether chose fits.
Yes everyone is entitled to the right to work hard and try for a piece of the pie! But success is not a guaranteed end it is a goal that must be strived for if it is to be attained.

 

Would it make your blood boil if somebody stole part of your wealth? You speak of wealth like it's something floating in the air with no real owner...If you find something like that let us all know...LOL
People in this country own their own Labor, that Labor produces THEIR wealth, not yours or somebody else.

 

That is the problem with proletarians.

They think the only "labor" that counts is that which you do with your hands, all other "labor" doesn't count.

We see it all the time from Proletarians on the forum and on the internet at large they always say from the working classes:

"You simply don't make millions and billions through honest labor."

IOW, if you don't labor away in a factory or cutting someone's lawn etc.. then you aren't really labor and therefore your wealth is illegitimate and therefore up for grabs by the proletariat.

Working class people often adopt such socialist resentments naturally, which is why they are always a fertile ground for left wing demagogues.

It's just a group extension of the natural resentment of a simpleton who works in a factory, angry that the boss drives home in BMW after sitting up in the office "on his butt doing nothing" all day.

 

How about you earn your own God (*)(*)(*)(*) way and quit relying on others to provide for you?

 

All Americans should be entitled to freedom which allows them to obtain their own piece of the "wealth pie".

 

The problem is that there are a lot of simpletons out there who are incapable earning more than just a sliver, and in their simpleton minds they feel they "deserve" a bigger slice than they actually do.

So in simpleton thinking, they want Government to take from the non-simpletons and give to them.

 

Or not... depending on how hard they want to work.

I've never understood the notion that EVERYBODY WANTS WEALTH! In order to believe that, one must equate money with happiness. Hard to believe we've got so many shallow people in this country who don't understand that's a fallacy perpetuated by politicians.

The only thing poor people need protection from are elected officials taking away everyone's rights under the guise of helping the poor rise above their circumstances. When we've lost the freedom to choose our own destiny, we'll all be worse off.

 

Because there is an entire class of simpletons slaving away in Fast Food Restaurants and Walmarts and Grocery Stores and Landscaping,etc and those simpletons get angry they can't afford to have the big house and the 2 car garage and white picket fence and their simpleton minds can't wrap their brains around the fact that in order to have those things you have to have certain skills that simpletons can't aquire because they are simpletons.

So the only solution in thier simpleton minds is to take from the person with the house and the 2 car garage and picket fence in revenge for daring to have skills the simpleton is unable to aquire for themselves.

 

Which I could never support.

The sad thing is that a lot of people fail to recognize their own potential, or fail to realize that the possibility of a better life is a reality rather than an unobtainable dream.

 

Wow, a liberal that gives a loaded question with a choice between 2 poor answers, who would have thought?

How about "NO!!! If you want to be rich, WORK FOR IT YOURSELF!!!" That is my answer.

 

That's why with socialism property is held in common and not owned, they want to hold people down. With Capitalism your dreams are your own and can be realized through effort, with socialism they stay dreams.

I wanted a big Boat, I got one, I liked corvettes and Caddilac's, had them...I wanted a large home on the water,,had that too.
I have one life to live, and I'll be darned if all I am allowed to have is dreams, especially when the politicians that push that horrible system have it all,,,,ON MY SWEAT!!!



Need I say more????

 

I have my doubts the simpletons would be so angry if the elitist politicians didn't keep telling them how bad they've got it. When someone keeps insisting you're a victim, you soon start belhaving like a victim.

 

Once again Greg gives us 2 hardcore leftist choices in the poll.....lol.

And then the premise of the entire thread is about...... Being entitled to something that isn't yours. Go figure.

Nobody is entitled to anything and nobody deserves anything.

 

Of course no one is entitled to a piece of the wealth pie because there is no wealth pie, there is only wealth that you create by doing work the market values. And of course you should keep the fruits of that work.

 

Absolutely. Everyone is entitled to the right to succeed through their own efforts. That means that everyone is entitled to a fair opportunity to do so, and currently the problem that exists, and needs to be addressed, is the reduced opportunity that those born into poverty have through lack of good education, and so on.

 

That is also true, but it is genuinely considerably more difficult for those who are disadvantaged in society to reach their potential compared with those who are born into an advantageous situation. A much lower percentage of them will actually be able to succeed when they put in the effort, and those that do will have had to put considerably more effort in than those born with the advantages - that is part of the background that makes them believe it is, in effect, unobtainable for them. Even if they put the effort in, with all of disadvantages they start off with, it's very likely that they won't succeed anyway, as things are at the moment. It is the opportunity gap that needs to be addressed, not the wealth gap.

 

Explain to me who is not getting educated in this country? Poverty stricken get a free education too. It's called public school.

 

I don't believe there should be limits on how much money you can make. I do believe your taxes should be VERY high if you're in the top 1%. Like 70-90% very high.

 

Why though?

 

Why?.................

 

Nobody is entitled to a piece of wealth. However, we are all entitled to the prospect, through our behavior, of getting a piece of wealth.

Your analogy is weak. Partly, because a lot of rich people enlarge the pie. For examples, Henry Ford, Bill Gates and Steven Jobs.

The thing is, believe it or not, we have among the most progressive income tax systems in the world. It's much more progressive than the taxes in much of Western Europe, for example.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/distribution/progressive-taxes.cfm
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23856.html

From the second link: