Should Trump go to jail?

Netanyahu goes to prison after he's ousted, the case is already in the courts but as long as he remains Prime Minister he's free. Putin doesn't want to destroy Ukraine, he wants to annex it. But yes, T**** has indicated he'd go for the annexation. Probably willing to toss in his wife to sweeten the deal. He needs to be careful with that last bit though because she has more money than he does.

 

The big advantage to T**** going to jail, which I doubt will happen on this trial, is that maybe then Biden can step down. If you want to see T**** go to jail join the demand to un-tether his mouth. He'll undoubtedly say something to land himself there.

I honestly believe that Biden is only a candidate as long as T**** is. No sense letting him go all out name calling on someone new. Let's restart fresh.

 

Cohen's testimony was backed up by

1. Documents that backed up Cohen's testimony which proved Trump's complicity in the scheme to conceal the crime of defrauding the electorate, which can be viewed here:
http://politicalforum.com/index.php...true-nature-of-the-djt-cohen-payments.618871/

2. Testimony of 20 witnesses which corroborated #1. Transcripts here:
https://pdfs.nycourts.gov/PeopleVs.DTrump-71543/transcripts/

3. Cohen's testimony

That's what the Jury saw and that is why Trump has been convicted.

We do know what crime, it was 34 felony counts NY PL 175-10 in the first degree.

Quit being untruthful and do your homework.

 

Cohen is not a credible witness. It is not against the law to have an affair. It is not against the law to pay someone hush money to protect yourself from that info getting to your wife and family. What is against the law is to have a Judge who is so bias that he interferes with the defense to be able to properly present their case? The Judge's daughter is a fund raiser for the Biden Campaign. No one has collaborated Cohen's testimony. What counts did each juror vote guilty? Who ever heard of any count being ok to have a split decision on and have it count towards the whole verdict. This case will be overturned by a higher court.

It doesn't matter to me either way as I am not voting for Trump or Biden, but I am voting against Kamala Harris. The thought of her maybe becoming President is a very scary reality.

 

His testimony was corroborated by Pecker, Davidson, Hicks, and others.

Irrelevant.

The adultery occured in 2006. It is logical that if Trump was concerned about that info getting to Melania and family, he would have done something about it then. But, 12 days before the Election? Sorry,. the math, documents,. and testimony from several witness incontrovertibly point to the election.

You have no evidence for that claim.

Higher courts ruled in Merchan's favor on that point.

THat is categorically false, and not only that DOCUMENTS corroborate his testimony, and TAPED telephone conversations.

34 counts of NY PL 175-10 in the first degree. UNANIMOUS.

There was no 'split decision'. The verdict was unanimous.

Whatever.

But, what do you have against her? Quote something you find objectionable. And let's compare that to Trump's quotes.

 

Would anyone but Trump have been brought up on these charges and have them stacked 34 times. This is no doubt in my mind no and the NYT investigated and proved it had never been done before. So why on earth was this private citizen brought up on the charge other than to prevent him from being elected?

 

Cohen's own secret recordings that when he said that they would finance the payment to Daniels Trump responded with surprise saying he just pay her cash, write a check and be done with it, but Cohen his attorney advised him that no he would handle the financing and Trump said OK you got it, there was NO talk of any criminality involved.

The prosecution's' own witnesses testified the invoices and payments were handled in a strictly routine manner and Trump had no involvement in how they were listed.

Cohen is a repeat perjury including matters before this court and therefore cannot be believed on anything nor did his testimony prove any crime on Trump's part.

It was NOT a campaign finance violation nor was anyone defrauded.

 

What were the "other crimes" and what were those votes, were they unanimous?

 

There seems to be one factor, not being talked about, that can, and should IMHO, influence Judge Merchan's sentence. The motivation for tRaitor tRump to commit the crime. Which was, to become President of The United States of America no matter the cost, even breaking the law.

TRaitor tRump won the Electoral College by less votes than it takes to fill a Big Ten stadium in a few key districts, across several swing States. It was a very, very close race, HRC actually won the popular vote. It could be argued that tRaitor tRump won not because of who voted but because enough complacent voters were discouraged from voting by Comey's announcement that HRC's emails were being investigated. IF the "Stormy" story of tRaitor tRump's infidelity had been stacked on top of the Access Hollywood story it could have discouraged those 80,000 voters, that put tRaitor tRump over the top, from voting or it could have motivated enough complacent HRC voters to get to the polls. Or, some of both.

The point is IF tRaitor tRump had not illegally squelched the "Stormy" story he may not have become president. I think this election meddling together with tRaitor tRump's total lack of remorse along with his insulting behavior during the trial are all factors Judge Merchan should consider.

If it were me, I'd put him behind bars, even for just a short time, just to put an exclamation point on the fact that:

"No American is above the law!".<-period

 

No. Trump is the only one I know of to whom these charges apply. I don't know of any other presidential candidate who has committed multiple crimes in order to try to conceal facts that would potentially harm his/her chances at being elected President. What he did was quite unique.

You are grossly (and deliberately) mischaracterizing the charges. But even if you are correct, the answer is yes. Charge stacking is a very common practice in the criminal (in)justice system. Almost everyone charged with a crime is a victim of charge stacking. So that's not unusual, the "private citizen" Trump is far from the "only one".

Could it be because he committed these crimes? A unanimous jury did find him guilty of ALL the charges based on the evidence. And because he did commit these crimes, he certainly should be prevented from even running for any office, never mind being elected. Why on earth does this lunatic system even allow a convicted criminal to run for President? Why on earth would anyone even contemplate voting for such a criminal? That's probably even more lunatic than allowing such a person to run for President.

 

She has no intelligent quotes that I can think of. If you call spouting off a sentence, no one can follow and then cackling after she says it, does not count.

 

Correct even the NYT found no other case in the history of this law where it has been applied to such a private record which as a misdemeanor the statute of limitations had run out so this ramp up with some "other crime" was used against a private citizen.

Hold on, the only charged crime according to your side is the record entry charge. When has that ever been applied to another citizen by the state? Never. That you say it was because he was a political candidate it could be and should be applied. IOW it was done for political purposes thank you velly much.

And of course the State of New York has NO jurisdiction over a campaign for a federal office.

And of course a candidate paying to have a NDA because of some potentially embarrassing information is NOT a campaign finance violation unless he DOES try to claim it as one and use campaign money for it which Trump did not.

No I am exactly characterizing what Bragg did as stacking the charges to influence the jury.

"With a wave of his showman’s cane, Bragg transformed a singular transaction into 34 separate charges in what’s known as "count stacking" that no good prosecutor would ever do. It’s a transparent window into an otherwise opaque case.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/braggs-absurd-case-against-trump-finally-gets-undeserved-court

"The 34 counys in the indictment are based on invoices, checks, check stubs, and ledger entries, each of which allegedly helped Trump conceal the hush payment.

This stacking of charges based on the same course of conduct already looks like a vendetta. But why are they felonies? It is not exactly clear."
https://reason.com/2024/02/16/alvin...nish-trump-for-something-that-is-not-a-crime/


AM = former US Attorney SDNY Andrew McCarthy
HH = Hugh Hewitt
"AM: Right.

HH: And I’ve never prosecuted anyone. I’ve defended three criminal defense actions, so I’m way out of my league here, all right, because it’s not my world. But is it routine to stack counts this way?

AM: The Justice Department actually tells you not to do it. And that’s unlike the vaunted 60-day rule that we hear about from time to time, Hugh, which is actually unwritten and doesn’t really exist as a rule. This is actually Justice Department manual policy. You are supposed to charge enough counts so that you have a potential for punishment that is commensurate with what the real offense is. So for example, you know, if you have a fraud count where somebody defrauded somebody by, you know, for $100,000 dollars, and if by charging five, three fraud counts, you can get 15 years of prison exposure, which would allow the judge to sentence, to say you know, six years or something like that, that’s enough. You don’t charge, even though there may be 100 mailings in the fraud thing. You don’t charge 100 counts.
https://hughhewitt.com/former-sdny-...rmer-president-trump-approaching-in-manhattan

What was the real offense here? Entering payments for invoices "for legal services" as " for legal expenses" in a private personal checkbook. The amount in question a mere $130,000. For a legal document and a legal agreement.

The statute of limitations had long ago run out on the ONLY charges listed in the indictment. And the prosecution's' own witnesses testified Trump had no role in how those invoices were paid or entered into the books. And no there were no conspiracy charges in the indictment.

Spare me the jury verdict as they only went by the judge's instructions and what was allowed and even more important NOT allowed as testimony and evidence. THAT is what the in the works appeal will be all about.

Why didn't that apply to Bill Clinton when the prosecutor in the case brought the prima facie evidence of high crimes to the Congress seeking his removal so he could be prosecuted and prevented from being President? And yes he eventually plea bargained those charges as he left office after the judge finding him guilty civilly and fining him $90,000. AND the left was hoping for a President Hillary Clinton to appoint him to the SCOTUS?

Why are the Dems running the would-be-a-convicted-felony-but-my-mind-is-to-feeble-to-put-me-on-trial-Biden? And his felonies are violations of THE ESPIONAGE ACT. They had him dead to rights he is on tape telling his ghost writer he has classified information stored that his own staff didn't know he had and he showed it to the guy. Let's compare that to that entry in a private checking checking account, an entry he had NO legal obligation to report to anyone.

 

Donald Trump was found guilty of all 34 counts based on the evidence. Only Donald Trump committed these crimes, no one else.

Why are you making up nonsense? First, I don't have a "side" and I wasn't involved. Second, 34 charges is not one charge. Use a calculator if you don't believe me.

We already agreed on that, only Donald Trump has ever committed all these crimes and found guilty of all of them.

Unfortunately it hasn't gotten the criminal Donald Trump out of politics yet. But no, as explained it's because investigation and evidence clearly proved that he committed 34 violations of the law. The most serious of which was to defraud in order to help him win an election. Not just any election, the one that got him anointed to the highest office in the US. What I find jaw dropping is that there are millions of people in this country who would vote for a convicted criminal who is a defendant in at least 3 other criminal cases even more serious than the one he's already been convicted of.

Really? Do you know of any Motion to Dismiss for lack of subject matter jurisdiction that was granted by any court? You keep making stuff up, why?

And of course a candidate paying to have a NDA because of some potentially embarrassing information is NOT a campaign finance violation unless he DOES try to claim it as one and use campaign money for it which Trump did not.

I'll skip the irrelevant.

Sure, no problem, make believe it didn't happen or that it's irrelevant if it helps.

 

Donald Trump is the only person to have ever falsified a record in NY for the furtherance of another crime?

Already explained how rules if evidence and due process view stacking charges a violation of the defendants rights.

If he had no role in the invoices and the payments to them then what was he guilty of?

It was clearly shown that Bill Clinton committed far more serious crimes in federal civil rights lawsuit. The OIC took the charges and evdence to the House in a criminal referral for impeachment and removal so prosecution could begin. The Dems said, nope felonies do not rise to level for removal from office. What changed?

And of course would-be-a-convicted-felon-were-I-not-to-feable-to-stand-trial Biden also committed far more serious crimes and the Dems have nkt demand he stel down and not run. Why not?

Whuch this court has no jurisdiction. And still waiting for you to show me the federal election law that required he report or list anything at all about Daniels.

Why are you so amazed that so many see the charade going on and don't fall for it?

Had it been granted then the trial wouldn't have happened DUH. It's a matter for the appeals court now.

NO he did not. He did not even take a tax deduction. The FEC commisioner who this judge refused toet testify as I have cite HAD he tried ti claim it as one THEN the FEC would have come after it. But he didn't he used his own from his personal and private checking account.

Lack of rebuttal noted.

It should first starting at sentencing when Merchan should do the right thing and dismiss the case based on his iwn errors which hopefully some of the real judges there will talk some sense into him.

 

The Antichrist will honor the “god of forces” Apollo (Apollyon), the sun god. “In his estate [Trump Tower] he shall honor the God of Forces, a god his father knew not, he shall honor with gold, silver, precious stones, and other pleasant things.” – Daniel 11:38 – In 1985 Trump had a reproduction of Guido Reni’s “Aurora Fresco” (aka “The Triumph of Apollo Led by the Aurora”) painted on the ceiling of his penthouse in Trump Tower. This decorative choice is part of the luxurious and opulent design that characterizes his residence [for house arrest]. The fresco, originally painted in the early 17th century in the Palazzo Pallavicini-Rospigliosi in Rome, depicts the goddess Aurora leading Apollo’s chariot across the sky.

However, house arrest would probably be at Mar-A-Lago, if anywhere, which is just as "opulent."

 

He should be executed for treason. Short of that he should spend the rest of his life in a cell at the Florence Supermax. Short of that, Rikers for 12 years serving at least four would be something at least.

 

The only problem with that is there are plenty of Trump clones out there.

 

You are (deliberately) moving the goalposts. No one has ever committed the crimes (all 34 counts) for which Trump was charged and found guilty.

You can try to explain anything you like to me, nothing you "explain" applies to this case. Donald Trump was granted all the due process rights typically granted to a criminal defendant and more because of who he is (which in itself violates the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause).

Is that a joke? Aren't we discussing that he was charged and convicted of 34 counts he was personally involved in?

This discussion is not about Bill Clinton.

This discussion is not about Biden or Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck or whoever you want to whatabout. It's strictly about Donald (the convicted felon) Trump.

Making things up again?

It's not my job nor would I be inclined to educate you on anything. You've already shown by your posts that you have a habit of interjecting far too much nonsense.

What "charade" is that? The only charade I see here is Donald Trump. I should not really be amazed, over 90% of the German population worshiped Adolph Hitler, the proportion is much lower here. I'm guessing it's because Trump often babbles (even foams at the mouth), can rarely finish a sentence, lies every time he opens his mouth and displays an incredibly juvenile mentality, Hitler was more articulate and "intelligent" in his diabolical ways.

The rest is not worth responding to as is most the above either but I bit anyway.

 

His exposure should cause the clones who are really just actors truth be told, to have to abandon that act. Congress has more than a few actors in both parties but they tend to be followers rather than mouth pieces. Georgia is due a new member of Congress familiar with the American way. Yeah, I'm looking at MTG. What an embarrassment.

 

Political prosecution is a bad thing no matter the country.

 

You are easily embarrassed.

 

For an alleged puffed up misdemeanor of making an accounting error????? SHEESH!

 

Why not, are we to believe EVERY entry into EVERY checkbook by EVERY other person in New York is accurate and has been for the over 100 years it's been in the books? No other person has had such a crime which statute of limitations invoke on the never used "other crimes". Other crimes for which Trump has never been found guilty nor even charged.

Was he allowed his witness to defend against the charges being made? Did he even KNOW what the charges would be that the jury would be considering? Was his right to conviction ONLY on a unanimous verdict of a SPECIFIED crime protected?

You did not follow the trial, the prosecutions OWN WITNESSES from the accounting departement testified Trump had no role in receiving the invoices, cutting checks or entering them into his checking book. It was done as their SOP.

It's about President and crimes and charges of felonies and does that disqualify one. So why wasn't Bill Clinton removed from office for his multiple felonies for which he was held in civil contempt by the Judge and plea bargained the felonies as he left office.

It's about Presidents and felonies and the only reason Biden is not a convicted felon for his violations of the Espionage Act is because his mind is too feeble to stand trial for it.

So which is worse, your accountants list invoices "for legal services" as "for legal expenses" in a private check record for a personal expense which matters to no one else?

Are you denying the FEC has EXCLUSIVE authority to charge ANY violations in a federal election and state and county courts have NO jurisdiction to do so or declare someone guilty of such a crime?

So are you saying you COULD educate me that state and local governments have jurisdiction in a federal election you just refuse to do so? Else my post stands unrefuted and you have been educated.

And when you have to go NAZI you know you've lost the argument.

 

Go Nazi? You mean like Donald "unified Reich" Trump, the guy who keeps a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed and admires Hitler and every authoritarian on this planet and actually admits to wanting to be a dictator and wants to trash the Constitution? You mean that kind of "going Nazi"? Yeah I lost that argument. I would proudly "lose every single argument" I would ever have the displeasure of arguing with a Trump worshiper. That's why I am no longer going to bother, it's a total waste of time.

 

Some wannabes, but the difference that unlike Trump, they don't have his following, nor would they necessarily inherit his.

The ONLY reason Trump has power is due to his large following.

Without a following, doesn't matter if you are a clone or not.