Should we ban the indoctrination and brainwashing of children by religions? Is it chi

I was not going in any direction except for what I stated.

You used the term good and decent people and I just noted that those good and decent people are doing what their own religions say is not good and not decent.

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Resource based economy but that is obviously not in the cults interest as they have none

 

Both ways can be used for good or bad, but the point of the matter is a good parent teaches their kid to be a good person, and not a hateful person. What is the difference between a child brought up by religion and is taught to hate people of different beliefs, or a child who is brought up with no religion and taught to hate people of different beliefs?

And at the same time what is the difference between a child who is brought up by a religious belief and becomes a person who is accepting of others , and a child who is not brought up by any religion but is still accepting of others?

 

Sorry, didn't mean to offend. I guess I should have made it clearer that I was modifying your comment for effect. I thought bolding the parts I changed to let people know would be enough but I was wrong. Again, I apologize.

 

I don't think that all kids are lost to critical thinking after indoctrination. I am proof of this.

I do agree that such kids will have blocks that can make things difficult.

The problem as I see it is that we do not teach critical thinking/ The basics of Philosophy - logical fallacy, how to construct a valid argument and so on.

The "universal Church" closed the centuries old schools of Philosophy and burnt libraries to keep the tools of critical thinking from the minds of the raging masses.

Ignorant sheep are much easier to control.

 

I agree that forms of indoctrination can be found in many places - Parents, Schools, Police, Army. There is a difference however, between "Parenting" and using sophisticated mind control techniques.

 

And when you speak about mind control techniques, what exactly are you referring to?

 

Why don't we ask the big question. "Should the religious be permitted to legally conduct gay aversion therapy"?

 

For children, absolutely not. Now if a consenting adult wishes to put themselves through anything like that then that is their choice.

But no I do not believe that is ok for children the same as I do not believe it is ok for planned parenthood to allow underage girls to get abortions and not inform their parents.

 

And I am ok with that. I guess that's just more evidence that people of faith are not as brainwashed and indoctrinated as you claim if they can determine that behavior X is something to consider, even if their pastor says behavior X is not something to consider, even under these supposedly terrifying and coercive threats of eternal damnation.

See, the very folks that claim that people of faith are nothing but hypocrites, who turn around and lie, cheat and covet, the moment they leave the church pews, cannot later claim that people of faith are too brainwashed, indoctrinated and scared of God's wrath to think clearly about what they are doing. Is religious messaging too powerful to allow for independent thought, or too weak to make any difference?

 

That's right. It is not the government's job to ban the teaching of ideas to adults or children, that you determine are lies or harmful or that it determines are lies and harmful. We deny the government the authority to pick and choose which ideas it will tolerate and we have done so for centuries now. It gets teach evolution in public schools. It does not get to tell parents or churches that they cannot teach creationism in their homes, their churches or their private schools.

I care about the harm done to a child, if that child shows clinical symptoms of distress as diagnosed by a professional. For example, if 10 year old Sally is unable to concentrate, unable to sleep and fixating over an idea that terrifies her, to such a point that a teacher feels obliged to refer her to a school counselor, who then contacts parents, and the parents continue to feed into a situation with a direct and measurable harm attached , then it may be time for Children Services. Its not about the idea, its about the parenting skills of Mom, who does not know when something is too intense for her girl. I do not presume that children taught about hell, are going to fixate and fail to thrive, because most seem to handle it just fine. I do not presume that most children subjected to scary movies are going to fixate, lose sleep, or appetite, and show an abnormal fear but a few may.

 

Sorry but the government has every right to protect children from adults. Its not fair to not call parents teaching children Young Earth Creationism and that there is a sky-fairy that's real since millions of years of evolution wired children to believe parents and other authority adults if they didn't they would die. Example don't touch a hot stove it will burn you and hurt children will believe that. The same if he does and the parent says feel that if you are bad your going to go to hell and that pain will be a lot worse and never stop. The first is wise advice and the latter to me emotional child abuse.

Personally I would have all children after grade school go to state boarding schools and only come home for holidays, and ban all other forms of education and schools, and while they are in government schools they get a fine secular education and learn critical thinking skills.

 

Canada is a resource based economy within a capitalist system.

You have not defined an economic system, from what I can see, with your term of resource based economy.

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DL

 

I guess the main difference is that one group is lied to while the other is not lied to.

Not being lied to by a bunch of religious liars would seem to me to be the way to go.

Or do you think the lying way is better?

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I could notice the differences but the average reader could not and would thing them to be my words. We should remember that what is written here lasts forever.

Apology accepted.

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DL

 

I hear and agree.

We are our brothers keeper and all we can do is keep telling the sheep that the shepherd only wants to fleece them.

I just wish the Government would repeal the Noble Lie. But like religions, they do not want an intelligent people to rule.

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That is why I use both indoctrination and brain washing. Those who are brainwashed will not act the same way as those who are just indoctrinated and who have retained a bit of independent thinking.

It is not always easy to know the difference.

I just picked this up.

[video=youtube;Pr6gvtYrga8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr6gvtYrga8[/video]

Would you say that the grandmother is indoctrinated or brainwashed?

Would you say that the priest is indoctrinated or brainwashed?

At this level, I would say that both are brainwashed.

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DL

 

I guess that you have not spoken to many ex-Christians.

Belief in hell is the number one issues that has cause many to become ex.

Have a look at the most recent science that has analysed the lie of hell.

[video=youtube;olhCazkejPg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olhCazkejPg[/video]

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DL

 

I agree with all except the state boarding school.

That basically happens though when the student gets to university.

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DL

 

you dont need a capitalist system with a resource based economy. it is also a natural evolution and will weed out the weak (the ppl who have no resources ie europeans)

thats like wrapping a turd in cotton wool isnt it

 

I'm sorry but we will have to agree to disagree on this post . Just because your personal belief is that there is no God does not make everyone who believes it a liar. There is no true proof of a god or lack there of. That alone is a whole different discussion.

Parenting should be based on merit, not whether if they follow a religion or not.

 

I have no idea what you are saying and you have not described anything to go against capitalism.

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DL

 

Correct. There is no proof of God.

To brainwash children into believing in such a supernatural entity is child abuse. Much teachings have no merit.

Unless you would like to show the merit.

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DL

 

There is no proof that there is no God just the same.

This is where I am going to stop this conversation , I thought it was going to be an interesting one at first but it turns out it's direction is heading way off course well beyond parenting skills.

Agree to disagree with your opinion. Have a good one.

 

There is more proof that there is no God than proof that there is.

The first piece of evidence is that he is not here.

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DL