Shouldn't Islam Be Banned In the USA (asked of US citizens only)

I'm sorry, but I believe it is your premise that is faulty. The First Amendment is as much a part of the Constitution as any other part. And it guarantees certain protections to any and all comers.

First of all, I think you're going to have an awfully tough time proving that fallacy. Second, even if you are right -- which you most certainly are not -- the Constitution still guarantees freedom of assembly.

The Constitution does not grant anything. It exists solely to protect the rights that we are all born with. IOW, the Constitution does not exist to tell the citizen what he may do; it exists to tell government what it may not do.

Certainly there are reasonable exceptions to all forms of free expression -- even to the practice of religion. These exceptions are made in the name of domestic tranquility and general welfare. It will be quite a stretch, however, to make the case that practicing a particular faith rises to that standard.

That is a very inaccurate misreading of the Article.

 

Could it be that many American's are disillusioned with the promises of a judeo/christian society which routinely places their citizens into three classes of citizenship and are turning to other forms of religion to fulfill their goal of spirituality?

 

And when they start trying to enact Sharia law in the U.S., such attempts will be quickly overruled by that very same Constitution -- on numerous grounds, not just Article 6. Every word in the Constitution has equal weight.

 

You apparently are oblivious to the history of 1400 years of Muslim conquest. You are oblivious of what has occured in Europe. You are oblivious to what has occured (and contiues to occur) in Muslim enclaves all across America, and you are oblivious to the Muslim Brotherhood's declaration of war upon North America. In short, you are oblivious.

 

What a fantastic display of understanding of our system of law from a non-American. You nailed it.

 

cheers

 

Unfortunately (or fortunately as I see it), the government of the United States is not permitted to ban either of those things. Because we are born with certain unalienable rights, among them liberty, we may believe anything we wish.

 

I could make the same argument about the Catholic Church.

 

the catholic church is a peadophile organisation, they should be banned

 

See: Catholic Church.

Or how about we simply recognize that we are not all the same and that there is plenty of ideological room for every viewpoint in this vast nation of ours?

 

If you have evidence that individuals are conspiring to overthrow the government, now would be a good time to present it.

 

Like krusewalker said, they won't be able to do anything anyway. We have laws. If Christians got their way like you think Muslims will get their way, then all classrooms would have a portrait of Jesus in them, we'd say the lord's prayer instead of the pledge of allegiance (or nothing at all), and the cafeterias wouldn't serve meat on Fridays during lent.

 

It's his opinion. Just like your opinion is that "Islam is not a religion."

 

Correct. I have the right to pursue an Amendment that says all chickens must wear hats. It is very likely that -- like Muslims wishing to inculcate us with their religious doctrines -- I will fail.

 

You don't get it. When the Muslim Brotherhood, and their hundreds of front organizations manage to get power over the US government, there will no longer BE ANY CONSTITUTION because it is the first thing that will be abolished and replaced with Islamic law, as occured in Iran in 1979. Quickly overruled ?
LOL. Are you kidding ? In the late 70s ex-US President Jimmy Carter ranted and railed for years, at the Shah of Iran, for his suppression of the civil rights of Iranian political prisoners. Carter supported the Ayatollah Khomeni for president (an Islamist). In 1979, Carter got his wish. Khomeni took over, quickly transformed Iran into an Islamist state, and executed thousands of those political prisoners whose civil rights Carter was whining about. Well, I guess Carter didn't have to worry about their civil rights anymore, huh ?
Point is, all Islam history is the history of CONQUEST. Muslims (led by the Brotherhood & its groups) aren't playing patty cake. The M has been around for almost 100 years. They are very well-organized, very well-financed and they know it doesn't take a large population to gain power in a country. It take 2 things primarily > MONEY and POLITICAL INFLUENCE. As as the title of the now famous New york tines bestseller book by Brigitte Gabriel says : They Must Be Stopped.

 

That is simply a ridiculous position that no reasonable person could prove. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it.

 

The catholic faith has a history of warfare. Think of the crusades. I myself am a catholic but I understand the history of my creed. We started all kinds of wars. Does this make us an evil, warlike faith bent on destroying America's way of life? I've said it before and I'll say it again. They are free to practice their faith as long as they do not infringe on the rights and securities of the American people, which for the exception of a couple of wing-nuts does not happen. We are already fighting the Islamic terrorists for what they did on 9/11/01. We don't need to fight those in our own country and those abroad that are peaceful and willing to be a positive member of our society.

 

Tom Clancy? Dude I think your tinfoil hat is a little too tight.

 

Actually, as the party of the affirmative, the onus would lie with you to present evidence in support of your position. Not to put too fine a point on it, of course.

But I'm curious, exactly how will the Muslim Brotherhood go about "destroying and eliminating" the body politic as you argue? What is their strategy?

 

I couldn't disagree more. In fact, I'll argue that it fits precisely with the "American experience."

 

And how likely is it that Muslims wishing to inculcate us with their religious doctrines (led by the Muslim Brotherhood) will fail to take power over the US government ?

That's a rhetorical question. I'll give you answer. You don't know. From what I gather here you, et al in this thread, have little clue as to how close the may or may not be to that, and you ought to check into it, being careful of what you read. The book Muslim Mafia is a very good one, mainly because it contains copies of internal documents of CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) taken by the author's son (when they thought he was shedding them), and some others who posed as Muslims and CAIR members, and thus, has a very high level of indisputable authenticity.

Although this book could be a little advanced in the study of Islamization, it is a critical and very valuable insight. Good prerequisite reading (loading with verifiable footnotes, many of the US documents) for it are :

1. They Must Be Stopped by Brigitte Gabriel

2. The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) by Robert Spencer

3. Stealth Jihad by Robert Spencer

4. Infiltration by Paul Sperry

5. The Day of Islam by Dr. Paul Williams

6. Sharia: the Threat to America by the Center for Security Policy

7. The Third Jihad (DVD) by Dr. Zuddhi Jasser

Read Baby, Read !

 

... and the government would control what we see on TV, and gambling would be illegal in most places, and exchanging money for sex would be illegal, and homosexuals would be denied some of the basic rights we all take for granted. HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!!

 

There's the crux of this discussion right there. How will the Muslim Brotherhood and its minions "manage to get power over the U.S. government" as you suggest?

 

Since I'm not going to read a dozen books to participate in an internet discussion, why don't you summarize it for me? Thanks.

 

I couldn't disagree more. In fact, I'll argue that it goes opposite to the American experience (past & present) by virtue of its advocacy of numerous things that are in violation of US law :

1. Murder

2. Discrimination - especially against women

3. Battery - advocates wife beating

4. Rape

5. Robbery

6. Kidnapping & Slavery -Muslims wrote the book on this over 100 years before slave ships arrived in America, and theyr'e still doing it now, in Sudan and Mauritania. (read Escape From Slavery by Francis Bok)

7. Animal Cruelty - EId al-Adha

8. Torture and Mutilation

9. Execution of Homosexuals.

10. Suppression of freedom of speech & the press.

There's the top 10. By no means the only ones.