Shutguns and revolvers

At least OBama and Hillary were hated by Russia, an anti democracy and anti capitalism state. Putin is the supreme advocate of gun control, the opposite of what you say you beleive in. It’s laughable !!! Just that fact alone tells you who is on the right side. Trump and the NRA are in bed with Putin, have been for years and you guys support traitors.

 

A sample of your beloved gun laws in Russia.
https://www.rt.com/news/guns-permits-russia/
No hand guns, but you can have a permit hunting rifle, shot gun and a gun that shoots rubber bullets. Wow !
And you think a Russian Banker, a Putin confidant and member of the NRA is just here for our prostutites. Funny.

 

And with those gun laws they still have a homicide rate higher than that of the US.

 

Rubber bullets don’t work. Their system is so corrupt, only those who support the Putin govt. . get healthcare or any other services. That’s something Trump Humpers can go for. At least here, everyone is entitled to basic freedoms including police and fire protection, which is socialism.

 

We're talking about the effectiveness of gun laws. They aren't always effective.

 

Well written and enforced federal laws in other countries work and the few Federal laws pertaining to some firearm types work well here. Just saying some laws don’t work without giving context and not differentiating between federal and state and local laws avoids the real issues. Gun advocates don’t mind the selling of guns privately to felons and the underaged and mentally ill. They avoid the distinction. Guns are portable.

 

Btw, you’re ten times more likely to suffer from gun violence in the US.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime

 

Is that what all of the anti gun snowflakes are screaming about, there's a Russian who wanted to subscribe to the "American Rifleman" magazine so he joined the NRA ?

What about all of those Russians and Chi-Coms who want to read "Proceedings" magazine so they join the "U.S. Naval Institute" as an associate member ?

Why isn't the left up in arms of the tens of millions of dollars that the Chinese government has donated to the Democrat National Committee (DNC) over the past few decades ?

 

But why doesn't their gun control make them safer? Why do Japan and S Korea have a higher intentional death rates than the US?

 

Why do the firearm-related restrictions in the nation of Russia, a country stated by yourself as being a police state, simply not work? Can such be explained by yourself?

 

None of which amounts to actual proof that the nation of Russia is funneling money to the united states through the NRA. This does not even meet the preponderance of evidence standard.

 

Moar lies from the lies club.

 

Fortunately, advancements in projectile and powder technology have transformed the 9mm into a truly effective round. I pooh-poohed the 9mm for years, yet now 9mms are a regular part of my carry rotation.

That said, I've been a fan of the 10mm since its inception. One of my favorite pistols of all time is the S&W 1076; basically identical to the firearm issued to the FBI during its experimentation with the 10mm. I've never understood the complaints of excessive recoil; I've always found it an astonishingly smooth-shooting and accurate pistol, even with hotter 10mm loads. I use that pistol mostly as a backwoods tool these days.

 

For sure. But even my 9 mm compact gathers dust in the summer when the preferred weapon for me is a Glock 42. There is no way many olderfarters are going to try to hit anything in the sub compact range in 9 mm as well. The kick is close to a .357 in an old Smith midsize revolver I had. . So, imo, it’s about the weapon ergonomics as much as caliber. Don’t hunt anymore so a 10mm is off my radar....but under stand their use for those comfortable with them. Besides, like the fbi said too, practice is cheaper and more frequent with 9mm. Can’t argue with that.

 

I'm not a hunter for the most part; the main purpose of my 10mm is as a possible bear defense tool when I go hiking or camping.

As I've mentioned on other threads my primary CCW gun for deep concealment is an old S&W 669; very compact and concealable but holds 12+1 rounds. I've actually run that gun in IDPA competition and acquitted myself very well with it; especially in the BUG side matches.

Full agreement on the cost outlay for practice ammo; I like to run training drills at least once a week, and I can get a lot more training time for the same outlay with 9mm versus other calibers.

 

I used to be an avid hunter until we actually moved into the woods two decades ago about 2 miles in on an old dirt road. Now, being around the animals I feel less inclined to hunt them; the deer walk by all time. The bear are plentiful too in the area but generally, you seldom see anything but droppings. I sold my shot guns and .357 which was my old original carry weapon when working as a cop decades ago.

My range is my front yard. Just after a walk, I’ll empty a magazine into targets on the side of the mountain across the “road”.

After my enlistment was up, I worked as a cop and we used to train and shoot nearly every week end and hunt during the fall. Now, I could care less about hunting and I have no direct interest in law enforcement. So, I’ve reverted back to pea shooters.

 

I hunt elk and antelope, but that's because we like to eat them. I've been turkey hunting once but found it boring, and didn't like the taste, anyway. My current woods gun is a Ruger SP101 .357 but I'm considering a Glock 10mm.

 

That’s interesting. I had a Ruger SP101 for a long, long time. I liked shooting it. I picked it up after the Smith model 19 I used for work. Even the Ruger was a little too heavy for me to hike daily with, so I got the Smith Airweight and Glock 42. They are the two smallest guns I would go for my use. If I were using a the .357 load at my age with cast bullets for bear protection, I’d probably go back to a seven shot Smith mid size revolver, like a 19 if they still make it and with seven plus rounds. I ended up shooting and carrying +p in the 101 because the .357 loads were too hard to be useful for me. I didn’t want to get that close. The 19 is a sweet shooter.

 

I'm a big fan of the S&W K-frame revolvers like the 19. One of my favorite carry guns of all time is the 3-inch 65 in .357; mine has the hammer bobbed and a world-class action job; one of the fastest guns to get into action I've ever used.

 

Good to hear. I had several Ruger revolvers go through my owner ship over the years including the service six, the security six and the 101. I liked them all. But in all honesty, the Smiths including a 686 I hunted with, shot better for me.

 

Yeah, the 180 grain bear loads in the 101 are no fun to practice with. We only have black bear in Colorado; if I were backcountry hunting in Wyoming or Montana I'd borrow my buddy's S&W Mountain .44.

 

I do like the robust construction of the Rugers, but they've never been able to make their triggers feel as good as a properly tuned S&W. I owned a Security Six and thought it was a great little gun; but even after tuning it still wasn't as smooth as my 65....

 

We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

 

For sure...
The only personal knowledge in talking to a witness of a black bear attack in our state, was from a contractor who was building a deck for me and showed me pictures of a small female bear he put down which attacked him when he got between she and a cub. He started shooting at 75 yards and didn’t stop till it dropped just 5 yards away. Upon examination, 4 of the five rounds from his .30-06 were fatal as all five hit their mark from a semi auto he kept on target. He was hitting her from from 75 yards in, and she still didn’t drop till the last round broke her spine. In his opinion, that was the luckiest shot as he was then Looking under the scope. .

My feeling is, in relying on a handgun only, we’ll l likely be the cause of an attacking bear’s death, about ten minutes after she/he malls us to death. Bear spray is the only chance we’ll have for 90% of the non, highly trained shooters out there, which is really, most of us.

 

I have an SR9c which is fine, but it has so many more things going on then my Glock, it’s distracting. It shoots very well with a good trigger and comes with a 17+1 capacity magazine. But, it gathers dust now. This is my second Glock. They just seem to be a better “tool.” Nothing pretty, but it’s the first thing I tend to grab when hiking. If that sounds like an ad for Glocks, guilty as charged.