Special Counsel Robert Hur says Biden 'willfully' kept classified documents but won't be prosecuted

Always with the conspiracy theories and excuses

 

This had absolutely NOTHING to do with the PRA.

Just WOW on that one.

All due respect, but these claims about what Trump did with classified docs just amaze me. The right keeps screaming on high about national security, the defense of the nation, the military, etc, and when the Orang-a-tan steals classified docs he wasn’t supposed to have, literally keeps them in a public bathroom at his public ally accessible club, is then found to have bragged about them, shown them to people not cleared to see them, you now somehow claim he had the right to show them to have them, and show them to people ? Not to mention, when he was told by the government that he wasnt supposed to have them he moved them to hide them.

You guys live in a fantasy world where Trump is some omnipotent being who is above any law, who is untouchable because he was at one time POTUS, but the current POTUS should be in jail because he had classified docs at his house!!!! FTR, I think they BOTH should be proscuted

 

He is NOW POTUS, so that supersedes that right ? Because with Trump he WASN’T POTUS when he had the docs….

Samey same, right ?

 

Biden DID give them back voluntarily, and Trump told the SS to piss up a rope, until they had to raid his house to get them

And YES, if Biden knew he had them, he should be charged, the same as Trump….oh wait, Trump isnt being charged for having them, he is being charged for not returning them

If you think these 2 cases are even remotely alike, your not paying attention

 

Yup, nothing to see here:

 

Can't believe anyone who backed a garage like that is a f'ing President, the mess alone should disqualify his ass. Lefty world finally facing Biden's dementia, they won't care, they literally want a brain dead to keep his office. As most good lefties, they can't see beyond the right now.

 

Funny in 2017 he told the ghost writer; hey I found the classified information I was talking about in my office. Of course, it wasn't turned in until they f'ing watched the DOJ swarm Maralago.

 

Its a matter of record, of fact that Trump retained far, far more records in his possession that Biden did. Its also a matter of fact, whether you like it or not that Biden co-operated with authorities from day one. Trump did not. You can argue that Biden should be charged as well, fine by me. That's not going to change another fact. Which is that were both men to be charged and found guilty Trump would be hit with a far, far tougher sentence than Bidden.

All other factors being equal? Any two people and virtually any crime? The same thing would happen. The person who 'does less' and co-operates more (in this case from the beginning) is going to be treated much more leniently when it comes to sentencing than the person who 'did a lot' and refuses to co-operate at all.

 

Because Trump did and still does claim immunity and according to Donald it's the law. Once you've been President you can apparently either pardon yourself or else are apparently immune from everything except COVID. Just ask him. And we wouldn't want a a double standard would we.

In all seriousness though your right he can't.

 

True but Hur seems to be rather clueless. The Law that Sponge Brains Craps Pants' broke is being misrepresented.

It is not an "Intent" Law. There is no need to prove 'intent' in the Classified Docs Laws. Just being in possession of them means you broke the Law. You don't have to have the intention of misusing them, selling them or trading them to -- Anybody.

If you hit an old lady with your car and kill her, "Intent" means everything. Everything. Maybe you were trying to avoid hitting a baby in a stroller that got away from his/her Mother, swerved and hit the Old Lady. Civil Liability? Oh HELL yes!

Criminal negligence or any kind of felony? Nope. No way, Jose. Gotta have Intent.

Being in possession of Classified Docs, REGARDLESS of Intent will get you locked up. Period. Unless you're a 'D'

OTOH, how do you prosecute a Sitting Prresident? Even if he DID steal the election (he did), he's still Prez.

In any case, it doesn't matter. Sponge Brains Craps Pants is toast. He and Kamal Toe are both done.

 

This whole thing is being misreprented. Bigly. They aren't after OMB because he took Classified Docs with him from the White House. He had every right to do that while he was still President. And he was.

They're after him because he refused to return them when they asked for them.

That is my understanding. Everybody knew he took the Docs with him. Which he had EVERY right to do because he was POTUS at the time he left with them.

Sponge Brains Craps Pants, OTOH, was VICE President and had NO right to any Classified Docs without written permission.

 

Oh goody, that means Trump will be cleared of all charges at his trial won't he? Maybe his defense lawyer can even start his opening address to the jury with 'This whole thing is being misrepresented. Bigly.' Sounds like a case winning argument if ever there was one.

In reality? If what you said was true and the charges were as fundamentally flawed as you claim they would all have been thrown out at if not before the first court hearing. And yet here we are with a trial date in May.

 

What are you talking about?

 

Which contradicts the claims that Biden was behind the raid. If he was he’d have returned his stuff first.

 

You’re not aware trump says presidents have immunity from prosecution?

 

Are you not aware this thread isn't even about Trump? I'm not sure how his name keeps appearing in every other thread.

 

His making legal arguments that will impact the current and all future presidents. Glad to enlighten you.

 

Doesn't matter NOW it matters what is AT THE TIME. Trump was President at the TIME and then as a former President those documents come under the PRA. You really aren't this confused here are you?

 

What does anything Trump did or did not do have to do with what Biden did? Why does anything Trump did mitigate anything Biden did? And the two are NOT comparable since Trump was PRESIDENT when he was involved in the documents which are part of his PRESIDENTIAL record and come under the PRA and YES the President and the National Archives negotiate where the records will be stored and which he will have CUSTODY, not to be confused with OWNERSHIP, as PRESIDENTS have a right under the PRA to their papers and control access to them for years after they leave office. None of Bidens papers are from when he was President and do not come under the PRA or any rights as President.

So stop with the specious excuse making for Biden.

False on all fronts. It was not a small amount and they are far more than handwritten notes but guess what handwritten notes can be CLASSIFIED at the time of their creation, like you know a Vice-President's foreign policy matters with the President. And Biden is LYING when he says the report did not find he willfully possessed those documents it SHOUTS otherwise. That he didn't try to destroy the evidence and belatedly turned it all over, after being forewarned a search warrant was coming and his attorney's and he went through them so no telling what was left by the time the FBI got there. The only thing intent relates to is whether it would be a negligence charge under the espionage act. But the report is blaringly clear he WILLFULLY and KNOWINGLY possessed them.

Are you denying his lawyers went through them before the FBI took them?

It says what is says which is what I said. And OF COURSE DA's can instituted cases themselves they do not have to wait until someone files a complaint and if you knew anything about the law that had they been a such a filing it would already be a part of the public record and Trump and his legal team would have copies. This is all the Fanni Willis show and she has been reaping the benefits

Showing you don't know what are the issues and how they will be litigated and the arguments the defense will make.

 

No his intent was to not put someone on trail who is not mentally able to take part in their defense. And a primia facie case is not required to prosecute, it is better for the prosecution if they have a prima facie case but not all cases have prima facie evidence presented nor it is required. Not all evidence is prima facie evidence you know. For an example of what IS prima facie evidence and having to do with Presidents let's turn to Bill Clinton. Clinton file a false affidavit and suborned that false affidavit from another person. That is prima facie evidence of perjury and obstruction of justice, you're guilty on the face of that evidence alone. That's why he had no defense and as former Independent Counsel Ray was relating tonight on MSNBC why he copped a plea as he left office, he had no defense against the charges and Ray had a grand jury waiting to indict on multiple felonies.

But then if you REALLY want to go there the fact that HE was responsible for what happened to those classified docs and how he obtained them in the first place and that they were in that unsecured place that is prima facie evidence he violated the espionage laws concerning proper care and protection of classified information and he was WILLFULLY in possession of that classified information.

But he is too old and feeble minded to stand trial, do you believe that is justice for him?

 

Why do you claim he would be? You don't believe people who removed material from a SCIF have never been prosecuted?

The report aren't you watching and reading the news about it?

"Facts First: Biden’s claim that none of the classified material found in his possession was highly classified is false, according to details provided by the special counsel. Hur reported the discovery of documents in Biden’s possession that had markings identifying them as “Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information,” a very high level of classification – plus handwritten notebooks from Biden’s time as vice president that weren’t marked as classified but that “contain information that remains classified up to the Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information level.”

[QUOTE]Nobody gets charged what Joe did without obstruction or lying[/QUOTE]

And Hur said he is too old and feeble minded to stand trial. Do you believe that is proper justice of an old and feeble minded person?

 

Well you said

And I noted that he is not being prosecuted because he is too old and feeble minded to be able to defend himself. The top secret documents he stole and was in willful possession knowing he was NOT to be in possession of such classified material and did not have it in a secure area and other people had access to it of are not adjectives and adverbs.

Now do you think you can actual discuss the topic rather than your diatribes about me for lack of anything of substance to add?

 

Your understanding of evidence sufficient to establish a prima facie case is flawed, but you can remedy that yourself.

If any defendant wishes to raise a defence based on mental capacity, then that is on them, not the Prosecutor to come to some conclusion based solely on a total lack of relevant or appropriate qualifications. Hur should see to it that Biden is prosecuted just like Humpty was prosecuted and then it is over to Biden to establish a defence via evidence from properly and relevantly qualified experts.

 

And Hur said he is too old and feeble minded to stand trial. Do you believe that is proper justice of an old and feeble minded person?[/QUOTE]
Huh feeble doesn’t appear in the report once. Strange lie to tell,
And name someone else charged with having classified material who didn’t lie to investigators or otherwise obstruct?

 

The problem your interpretation has, it lacks any credible objectivity, exactly like the Hur hyper partisan hit piece to cover his inability to find corrupt intent, so, he was left with giving out smear talking points. Durham 2.0, another lame dog.