Special Counsel Robert Hur says Biden 'willfully' kept classified documents but won't be prosecuted

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  1. grapeape

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    My god man. Trump was NOT president when he was asked multiple times to return the documents.

    You do not even know what the PRA is or you wouldn’t post this BS.
     
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    Prominent democrats are never held accountable for their crimes. Our 2 tiered "justice" system just wont allow it.

    THey are fascists.
     
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    His own DOJ says he's too elderly, feeble & forgetful to be held accountable for his own actions. The presser last night was a disaster. I predict we've seen his last press conference. It's too late in the game to deploy the 25th. They're going to keep him under wraps & drag his ass across the finish line.
     
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    Why do you move to exaggerate the truth which is that one man, Hur, made some comments he had zero qualifications to make? It's the equivalent of me calling you a stable genius. Sure, that's what I said, but I am pretty sure no-one will accept my assertion as being proof that you truly are a stable genius.
     
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    Yes... the presser revealed a lot.. there is no denying he is past the ability too represent our country... it is literally elder abuse at this point...
     
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    Enlightenment has not been part of your posting history, but I realize these are trying times for the talking points.
     
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    Please explain why NARA was contacting former President Trump after a few months..... he returned 15 boxes.
    but
    NARA never contacted former Vice President Biden after 7 years? Can you explain why Biden and ilk hid classified document from May until the lie of the November discovery?
     
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    1) Because they're similar crimes i.e. the alleged unlawful possession of classified documents. That's why. (As should be perfectly obvious.)
    2) If your interpretation of the PRA was even remotely correct Trump wouldn't be facing criminal charges. He is. Any attempt to proceed to trial would have failed at the first appeal. It didn't.
    3) I clearly stated I had no problem with Biden facing charges.
    4) Well derrr, no kidding. Of course they're classified at the time they're created if they relate to classified briefings etc. The point was that such diary notes don't have the security headers and footers on them the way all normal classified documents do! That makes it much easier to overlook specific notes especially if the notes in question are contained in diaries alongside lots of non-classified entries. which is not an excuse for failing to redact them from said dairy, just explanation for why it can happen. Taking documents with classification markings at the top and bottom in bold lettering? No such excuse.
    5) No, I'm refuting your allegation that Biden let his layers 'cull' the documents. (Your words). Cull means to reduce in number, in this case. Biden didn't let his lawyers 'cull' the classified documents. As the occupant of the premises he like Trump was entitled to keep any documents found on the premises that did not fall with the ambit of the search warrant. That means sorting through all the documents to separate what the investigators wanted from the stuff didn't. And that's done in presence presence of the investigators and where necessary the occupants lawyers. Clear enough?
    6) So you say. You may even be right. The problem is proving it. You know that whole 'evidence thingy' your so keen to overlook when it suits you.
    7) I assume your referring to the documents case when you make this claim. However it doesn't change the fact that the accused or more properly their legal counsel get copies of the brief and most if not all of the relevant evidence before the trial usually well before. But even more important they have have copies of the indictments listing all charges. If the defense believe there is a fundamental flaw in the charges e.g because the PRA somehow magically or should I say legally protects former Presidents from such charges then they can submit motions to dismiss before the trial even starts. So far? No success, the trial is set for May. That alone should tell you something.
    8 ) And yet I somehow clearly understand more than you about prosecutorial malfeasance and due process. In fairness to you though it was another 'expert' insisting all the Georgia accused couldn't be prosecuted because 'D.A.s cant start investigations' yarda yarda. I just ended up having to correct all the fallacious arguments in the same posts.
     
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    He undermined his work by taking a cheap shot at Biden.
    Old Joe gave the stuff back, the Orange Oaf did not.

    If you want to keep Trump out of jail, you'd better hope he beats Old Joe--or who runs if Biden steps aside.
    The "deep state" is a figment of your imagination.
     
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    Wrong. From page 14 of the report…

    “The exception is former President Trump. It is not our role to assess the criminal charges pending against Mr. Trump, but several material distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and Mr. Biden's are clear. Unlike the evidence involving Mr. Biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating facts. Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the investigation.”
     
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    So if I possess classified documents that's all hunky dory and legal unless I don't give them back when they ask?
     
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    Never underestimate a Democrats motivation to elect a vegetable for president.
     
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    It’s called the Privileged Class.
     
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    Only if you are caught with them.
     
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    For a person’s Biden’s age it used to be called senile.
     
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    Biden’s DOJ said he is painfully slow and has a bad memory which is why Biden won’t be charged. Biden might also be found too mentally incompetent to stand trial as well.
     
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    What did the report say about why Biden won’t be charged?
     
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    No it doesn’t. What matters under the law is Biden was not the president when he took possession of classified and highly classified documents. Biden could have placed them in a very secure area which he did not and he still broke the law.
     
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    Biden spoke on this and it is in the report. Please keep up and stop asking about what is readily available.
     
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    If Biden does not claim XP the tapes of his interview with his ghost writer will reveal Biden knew in 2017 he possessed classified documents. Do you support the release of the interview tapes?
     
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    It's a matter-of-fact Trump was the President and has special authorities when it comes to classified documents. It's a matter-of-fact Biden was not a President at the time and had NO AUTHORITIES, and willfully knew he had them. Now it's a matter of fact that Trump's, like every other recent President, has had Secret Service guarding the documents, again Biden had the maids guarding his. You can say Trump should have turned them over but it's pretty much a custom of Presidents to fight for their keepsakes and NA to secure them at the Presidents place. Like Obama's warehouse, but Biden's DOJ had to turn it into a raid then the bullseye changed and of course a similar raid of Biden's places would have found the same things. In lefty land there's a big difference, in regular America what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
     
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    Whose Hur's boss, you know the guy that approved the report be released as is? Oh and fear not, no one has ever called, nor will call you a "stable genius."
     
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    Unfortunately for Democrats Biden’s interview cannot be put back in the bag. It was the question about Biden’s dead son that convinced the Special Investigator to not press charges.
     
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    Was it when trump told mueller he didn’t remember 36 times?
     
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    They can’t prove willful
     

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