Stop bombing Libya! Support to Libyan people and Gaddafi!

That'll explain why we had the mass of a total of 50 people celebrating??

 

He's probably sun baithing with hot babes in Venezuela.

 

Are you convinced that those 50 rebels defeated Khadafi's forces or that they were the only people in Libya who are not glad he's gone and contemplating their futures?

 

I don't think Chavez would take Khadafi in.... Khadafi has NO money.

 

Well normally it takes more than a "staged" gathering of little more than a handful of people dancing and singing in front of strategically placed camera's, to convince me that "revolutions" are genuinelly representative of the aspirations of those in question.

 

There are still Khadafi snipers and violence in some pockets of Tripoli, Zulu.

 

You know. I think there is a lesson of concern to be learned in all this. Now at the time I just laughed at Baghdad Bob along with everyone else as he rattled off claims and then news would cut to footage clearly showing the lie. And I felt the same about Tripoli Tom or whatever is feeding Izverg this "information" about how Tripoli will be back to normal under Gaddafi's control in a day or two and that Gaddafi has retaken Misurata.

But it's occuring to me that this may be more serious.

I mean you really believe whoever your source is right Izverg?

So it seems funny now because it's all so clearly BS.

But what about when these or similar sources are spewing nonstop conspiracy theory stuff that can't simply be proven wrong with a few pictures or live footage? I don't think this is even an Islamic thing alone. People seem increasinly willing to wrap themselves up in news sources that say they're the only source of truth, and everybody else is lying to you, it's just a big consipiracy.

This does not bode well.

 

Margot, I hope that I'm wrong and you are right. I return to the initial point. There is no evidence that Western intervention was illustrative of the will of the mass of the Libyan people...none whatsoever that I'm aware of.

 

You mean NATO didn't take a vote or something like that?

If they had been a small group of rebels and the Libyan tribes were loyal to Khadafi.. they would have quickly been exterminated.

The French have always had excellent intel in Libya and the various oil companies have always, always had their fingers on the pulse.

 

It's quite illuminating that used oil companies as allegedly being indicative of will of the people. I think sometimes you confuse the aspirations of the mass of people with the aspirations of oil executives. My suspicions were reinforced after you cited the Arab League as the barometer of Arab sentiment.

 

Its absolutely essential for foreign oil companies to have a read on the mood of the country.... the people and the government. They have HUGE capital investments in Libya.

Oil companies in Libya are Hess, Marathon, Conoco Phillips, TOTAL, Dutch Shell, BP, a Chinese company and the Italian one.. I think its called ENI.

There are additional support companies.

These foreign companies continuously assess the environment, meet with Ambassadors etc...



The Chinese were building a railroad AND a telecommunications network.

 

Maybe so, but in my view, ambassadors are not a real reflection of the groundswell of public opinion anymore than say politicians who were "shocked" and "dismayed" following the UK riots are.

 

Your hope has no evidence, the evidence shows that Morgot cannot be ever right.

The will of the mass of the Libyan people has been exhibited very clearly. They resisted criminals supported by The american people sending all technology and bombs to bring peacefull civilians to submission to horrors of democracy for 6 month.
They have been starved by the American people cutting their basic food and water supplies for 6 months, but their will has been strong.
Only when the american people sent boots on the ground to support criminals and terrorists the overwhelming force broke the resistance of of the mass of the Libyan people.

But it still remains to be seen if the will of the mass of the Libyan people is also broken. As history shows democracy brought on tips of bayonets does inflict a lot of suffering but has difficulties to win, and often good prevails over horrors of evil. We are for sure to watch sufferings of Lybian opeople under democracy, we are for sure to watch evils of democracy unfolding in Lybia, but one cannot be sure that evil will prevail on the historical scale.

 

My dad was a chemical engineer on the ground when he started. By the time he was a senior exec it was his JOB to deal with the government and know what was going on.....

Its no different in Libya.

My dad's job in Libya was to keep an eye on Tariki and Khadafi as well as production and report to Esso.

 

The US government endured that idiot Khadafi.. Libyans were employed by all the oil companies in Libya and prospered as a result.

Revolutions always cause hardship and shortages.

This wasn't American adventurism.. this was a grassroots revolt against Khadafi.

 

You are absolutely right.

 

I would argue that your family connections are in some respects distorting your ability to be able to evaluate the events in Libya from the point of view of the mass of the population in that country. Rather, your outlook, with respect, appears to be bordering on the myopic.

Whether or not the people of Libya were in favour of Western interventionism in the form of 'no-fly zones', is arguable at best and plain false at worst. Certainly, the Libyan people were not in favour of full-scale military intervention as voted for by the United Nations. This opened the door for Western governments to re-insert themselves into the region after the loss of their dictator friends in Tunisia and Egypt.

The imperialist powers hijacked the Libyan revolt and bent it to their own interests—trade contracts and international oil deals. They feel they have earned their right to dictate terms to any new government. However, opposition forces currently united against the regime may well fragment over the extent of the West’s role in rebuilding Libya.

Nato has conducted more than 8,500 bombing raids since 19 March. Special forces worked on the ground, and drones have bombed and collected intelligence from the skies. Finding money for war on Libya has never been a problem—despite Western “austerity drives”.

Cameron and Obama are keen to spin this war as a success for “human(*)itarian intervention”. But the West’s motives were never humanitarian. If our rulers really care about democracy and freedom, why do they not back opposition movements in Bahrain, Yemen or Saudi Arabia?

The answer is that the dictators there are friendly to the West. Western leaders have never had any qualms about working with dictators—just as they had no trouble working with Gaddafi until after the Libyan revolt began.

They may have derided him as a “mad dog” in the past, but this didn’t stop Tony Blair embracing him in 2004 and again in 2007. Whoever takes the place of the hated Gaddafi, one thing looks certain—the West will ensure it is a regime it can do business with.

The fall of the Libyan regime might help our rulers regain a foothold in the region and may make them more confident to intervene elsewhere. But the fall of Gaddafi carries contradictions for them. The sight of yet another brutal dictator brought down after decades of rule may embolden those fighting back elsewhere—especially against Bashar al-Assad in Syria.

And if the spirit of revolt that has spread across the region is invigorated, the same leaders who today cheer the end of Gaddafi may again find their interests threatened by a movement that has anti-imperialism at its core.

 

Oddly enough that's exactly what many Arabs say about America-it's duplicitous, dissembling and demonstrably untrustworthy.

 

Lybians are bombing themeselves dude. There are some serious issues that the people have with dictatorship. Its just a new name for a king. And we know what we do with kings. SNIPEM!

This is rediculous people would rather bomb people following a man than kill the man dead for heinous actions.

If I lived in Libia I would have sniped that mutha(*)(*)(*)(*)a already.

 

Best and most accurate posts on this thread.

Tribes fully armed by NATO now lets see how quickly they hand back the weapons!

NATO will be lucky to get 1% back.

A catastrophe aided by the US and NATO.
Total civil war for Libya now.

 

What about Al Jazeera?

I'm not expecting to convince an African nationalist of the truth, but seriously, you really do keep the blinders on.