Study: Hydroxychloroquine increases COVID-19 survival rates

So there is a drug approved for COVID treatment that is cheaper than your gin & tonic. Gosh.

 

Prove it.

 

The price of a medication in itself does not and has never determined whether the medication is effective or not, trial studies, clinical studies, research on mice, other animals, then on humans, does. The price reflects how much money must be expended in carrying out the research so that it can by assemble right machinery, technology, trained professionals, all the overhead required into developing a drug. Then it has to place substantial amounts of money in what is called a reserve and to pay for insurance so that in the event something did go wrong it can pay out huge amounts of money in a law suit. The profit the pharmaceutical manufacturer makes has to cover all of that plus the salaries of the people manufactyuring and researching the drug and to pay taxes.

You act as if everything a pharamceutical company does is evil and only intended to make profit for a few people. Its a naive and simple way to understand what goes into and how much money and time is required to produce a drug or vaccine that can save lives and millions of dollars in medical treatment expenses that would otherwise be spent.

I get people like you. They hate pharmaceutical companies but you are the first to use medications when you are sick and would expect your doctor to prescribe something when you are feeling ill or have a heart attack, cancer or some kind of disease. It doesn't work one way where you can expect the benefits of medication but not understand the sacrificies, liabilities and obligations into creating these medications.

I take medications. Without them I have conditions that could seriously harm me. Do you want me to complain that I have to pay? I can barely afford to but I do. Its life. Nothing is free.

 

If it is a fact and you did not make it up stop calling it a fact and provide the names of the doctors who hoarded HCQ to treat themselves.

 

If its a fact prove how the research was rigged. Can you prove anything or do you just rattle anything that comes over you out and on to this forum?

 

If a person (like you) does not understand what happened with the public perception and political treatment of HCQ during the last year, that person was simply not paying attention to what was happening on the political stage and MSM during the last year.

 

IF "A person like you" does not...that person was...

Your response does not debate. You attack the person you disagree with personally and assign them a sterotype and tell them how they think.

I have asked you, are you capable of debating someone without getting personal with them and telling them who they are and how they think? Did it ever dawn on you that your assumptions of others may not be accurate and you deflect from debating when you engage in such an exercise avoiding discussing why you disagree with the other person's views?

Enough.Debate the issues. Telling people who they are and what they think is silly. All you do is show you are can't debate and can not remove your own ego from what you say so get into projected personal pissing matches as to your being right and the other person wrong or what we really intellectually developed people call nya nyah goo gooing.

You deflected. Either back up what you say with some information and basis or move on but deflecting from your inability to nack up what you say by attacking Monash personally necomes nothing but deflection from your inability to debate.

Discuss the issue or move on. Attacking the person is bull sheeyat.

 

Here is how conventional medical studies approach new treatments for Covid 19:

https://uhnfoundation.ca/stories/wo...95DEMBPZSx3FUd41rdxlpKN_UBQsuqDIaAqUnEALw_wcB

Here is the same method used to have found HCQ not to be an effective method to treat Covid 19:

https://www.cochrane.org/news/chlor...ating-people-covid-19-or-preventing-infection

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30378-7/fulltext

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2020388

https://www.practicalpainmanagement...ydroxychloroquine-covid-preventive-still-news

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77748-x

https://www.dovepress.com/chloroqui...atment-of-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-TCRM

So it is foolish to suggest the medial researchersabove who conduct such studies on hcq and other treatments are involved in a conspiracy with pharmaceutical companies to stop the use of hcq because its cheaper to use then a vaccine.

Firstly these researchers would be the first to suggest it as a treatment if it worked or had sufficient benefits too justify its use-they have no reason not to.

Secondly, using HCQ would not prevent Covid 19 or mean you do not have to use the vaccind. If anything HCQ would be used as a secondary not primary treatment meaning you still would need to take the vaccine. It wouldn;t change that.
To think if you take HCQ, you do not need the vaccine makes no logical sense.

The vaccine is taken to lessen your chances of getting symptoms including the kinds of symptoms HCQ might then be used to treat.

If someone catches Covid 19 and gets bad symptoms there is no guarantee any treatment works and the clinical studies show HCQ is just not of sufficient to treat Covid 19 symptoms.

The whole point of the vaccine is to lessen the effects of Covid 19 if you get it so you do NOT need to take a chance on ANY secondary treatments not just HCQ.

However there are no HCQ studies that prove it is of benefit.

Again is there one HCQ conspriacy defender who has the ability to debunk these clinical studies with clinical studies they found that states otherwise, i.e., that HCQ is of benefit... don't hold your breath...they do not exist.

 

And if a person (like you) does not understand the difference whatever conspiracies they read about, see or hear on the internet and real science, then that person has little if anything of value to contribute to any debate about science.

(Especially if they insist on butting into discussion where one party is asked to produce proof of a claim made by them and all you add is your opinion i.e. not proof. Proof/Opinion - read a dictionary and learn the difference between them.)

 

Another unresponsive reply. "everything a pharamceutical company does is evil" Straw man arguments are irrational.

Again: Do you deny that Fake Science was promoted to discredit HCQ? Yes? or No?

 

It is a fact. You should now wonder how you could have become so misinformed.

"A nationwide shortage of two drugs touted as possible treatments for the coronavirus is being driven in part by doctors inappropriately prescribing the medicines for family, friends and themselves, according to pharmacists and state regulators.

“It’s disgraceful, is what it is,” said Garth Reynolds, executive director of the Illinois Pharmacists Association, which started getting calls and emails Saturday from members saying they were receiving questionable prescriptions. “And completely selfish.”

Demand for chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine surged over the past several days as President Donald Trump promoted them as possible treatments for the coronavirus and online forums buzzed with excitement over a small study suggesting the combination of hydroxychloroquine and a commonly used antibiotic could be effective in treating COVID-19."
PROPUBLICA, SERIES: CORONAVIRUS, Doctors Are Hoarding Unproven Coronavirus Medicine by Writing Prescriptions for Themselves and Their Families, By Topher Sanders, David Armstrong and Ava Kofman, 3/24/20.
https://www.propublica.org/article/...escriptions-for-themselves-and-their-families

 

Instead of railing against me you should be vetry upset with the sources you rely on that have left you so disinformed.

Fake Science + Fake News + Politics = Denial of Care = Mass Slaughter

"The Lancet paper that halted global trials of hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19 because of fears of increased deaths has been retracted after a Guardian investigation found inconsistencies in the data.

The lead author, Prof Mandeep Mehra, from the Brigham and Women’s hospital in Boston, decided to ask the Lancet for the retraction because he could no longer vouch for the data’s accuracy.

Related: How were medical journals and WHO caught out over hydroxychloroquine?

The journal’s editor, Richard Horton, said he was appalled by developments. “This is a shocking example of research misconduct in the middle of a global health emergency,” he told the Guardian."
THE GUARDIAN, Covid-19: Lancet retracts paper that halted hydroxychloroquine trials, By Sarah Boseley Health editor, June 5, 2020.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-paper-that-halted-hydroxychloroquine-trials

Given that C19 clearly interests you why were you unaware of this important scandal until now?

 

First of all your statement that I set up a strawman is false. You in fact not I postulated that the price of HCQ is a factor in why its not promoted. That necessarily raises the evil pharmacy monopoly argument. Don't pretend you didn't and I only raised it as a strawman. I did not raise it, you did and so I repudiated you using it.

Next what is with the question? Who is Fake Science and why would I care what their motives are?

My basis for questioning whether HCQ is of benefit for treating Covid 19 comes from medical studies which I have quoted. I don't and didn';t quote or refer to whatever Fake Science is. I think its a site on Facebook.. Even if "Fake Science" was promoted to discredit HCQ how is that relevant to the studies I referred to and the doctors involved in those studies? They were not involved in fake studies. They were involved in carefully monitored studies.

So why would you even ask me such a question other than to deflect from your refusal to provide medical information to prove HCQ is of benefit and the studies that say it is not are inaccurate and you have studies to show HCQ is of benefit.

THE ISSUE IS WHETHER HCQ IS OF BENEFIT AS A COVID 19 TREATMENT.

You have yet to provide any studies showing its benefit.

 

First off I am not railing against you. I am challenging your statements. Please separate your person from your statements because I am not attacking you personally, I am challenging your statements. The fact I disagree does not make me rail anymore than you rail by supporting your views.

Next, nothing in what you presented repudiates the studies I provided you. The studies I presented you confirmed that HCQ was of no benefit in treating symptoms of Covid 18.

You provide an article about ONE study looking into whether HCQ increased the no. of deaths of people with Covid 19. The studies I provided did not look into whether HCQ increased the no. of deaths and the issue they addressed and I addressed and stated in direct repudiation to your claim-is that HCQ is of no benefit as a treatment.

Now you have deflected and switched the topic to whether HCQ kills people with Covid 19 an entirely different topic. You then take a study for a different question being asked and then try apply it to say studies on a different subject matter are all false because the study you present asking a totally different question was halted because of inaccurate analysis.

Not only does that study not apply because it is of a different subject matter but even if it was flawed, it does not make the other studies flawed as they did not use the same protocols it did.

Can you at least take the time when you present a study to counter other studies make sure it matches up to the same subject matter? Can you please do that. Next if you want to claim because one study was flawed all other studies are flawed prove how they all used the same flawed procedure. You did not.

 

The issue Fake Science and Lancet used to suppress the use of HCQ.

The other issue is this strawman: "everything a pharamceutical company does is evil" - that statement is your invention.

Why make things like that up? Focus on what is actually posted here. That works better.

 

LOL! You are apparently unable to paste up a single quote from my post that you can take issue with.
Why is that so difficult?

 

Again you first raised the price of treatment to to attack drug prices established by pharmacies. I then responded directly to that tired pharmaceutical manufacturer profit from death canard. Your words that initiated this canard and my response to them are there for all to see as it's how you now a second time deny you initiated the point I challenged rendering your strawman allegation absurd.

Next your reference to a flawed study in regards to a different subject matter is idiotic. Even if it were true it does not address the medical studies you won't respond to because you can not find d a medical study claiming the drug you push benefits the treatment of covid 19. Your deflection failed.

Tell me since you claim prices of treatment are behind the rejection of the drug you push how is it you can not repudiate those studies saying it is of no benefit?

Further using your logic since you push the use of a drug that you can not prove has any benefit I caninfer you are in bed with the manufacturers of the drug you push by trying to sell it for a use it has no benefit for. How much are you paid? You are a drug pushing profiteer involved in an effort to defraud people. How does that feel?

 

You have provided no evidence of any price conspiracy or beneficial use of the drug you push. I on the other hand provided a list of medical studies to prove the drug you push has no benefit.

Are you done deflecting?

 

You and yours present tired and intellectually bankrupt government/pharma talking points about HCQ and Ivermectin, and you expect to be taken seriously.

Repeating such lies does not make them become true.

 

Do you know what "evidence" is?

 

LOL! Nobody "pushes" HCQ. There is no money it. Think carefully, and keep in mind - Money Matters.
I bet you know that.

 

FWIW, my neighbor and his driving partner were both treated with hydroxy and antiobiotics for covid in mid 2020. And they both recovered. That said, my Wife and I have both recently received the Pfizer vaccine. So far, so good.

 

The studies I provided were not by any government or pharmaceutical researchers and the fact you can not produce medical studies to repudiate them speaks loudly at this point.

 

What I do know is you and Eleuthra engage in anti pharmaceutical manufacturer profiteering conspiracies with zero proof.

What I also know is that neither you or Eleuthra can provide medical studies to back up your arguments or repudiate the studies I provided.

What I now see is that the more you 2 respond the more you show you have nothing to base your positions on.

The emoticons from both of you also show me you both feel uncomfortable with your responses.

 

Possibly. Beyond that, he really has no impulse control. His tweets, randomness, vulgarity, etc. - all it just spews out without a moment's hesitation.