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That statistic is nowhere on the link.Anybody can look at itand see for themselves

You pulled that statistic out of your ass. I refuted it successfully.
Unless you can produce a statisticthat Actually exists you're finished, you lost.

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You are picking two unrelated aspectsand insisting they are related. He just did the same thing you did.

 

The prevalence of HIV among men who have sex with men is about 40 times higher than it is among all men.

 

and????

 

The data straight off the CDC website was provided in post #234.


Of the 47,165 new cases of HIV in 2013, the transmission was due to:
Male-to-male sexual contact 30,689
Injection drug use 1,942 (males) 1,154 (females)
Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use 1,270
Heterosexual contact with a person known to have, or to be at high risk for, HIV infection 3,887 (males) 8,031 (females)
Other 99 (males) 93 (females)

68% of all new HIV cases were due to gay sexual activity.
7% of all new HIV cases were due to injection drug use.
The heterosexual cases involved people "known to have, or to be at high risk for, HIV infection" - i.e. gay or bisexual men.

Add them up and its 93% of all people who acquired HIV in 2013 acquired it through contact with gay or bi men.

And in the past I have provided you with several links to CDC presentations that have the same data.

You don't like the fact that HIV is spread by gay and bi men, and that heterosexuals are not exposed to HIV except through needle sharing or the odd incident such as a emergency room nurse unknowingly contracting HIV while risking her life to provide care to an injured HIV gay man.

But that's too bad, facts are facts, whether you like them or not.

 

No it isn't you made it up.

It actually adds up to 81% you made an error in your math.

I have seen the data what you say is not present among any of the links and further you made a mistake in your math. So the CDC doesn't back up your position.

No I don't like lies.

Your error is not a fact, it isn't backed up by the data it isn't anything.

you have been proven wrong.

 

Here, I will repeat post #311, and give you a lesson in basic math:

Of the 47,165 new cases of HIV in 2013, the transmission was due to:
Male-to-male sexual contact 30,689
Injection drug use 1,942 (males) 1,154 (females)
Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use 1,270
Heterosexual contact with a person known to have, or to be at high risk for, HIV infection 3,887 (males) 8,031 (females)
Other 99 (males) 93 (females)

So lets add them up:

Right off the bat we can see the cases that conclusively do not involve gays are infection from injection drug use:
1942+1154=3,096 cases or 6.6% of all new HIV cases in 2013.

The next category is "other", which may or may not involve infection due to contact by gays, assume gays are not involved:
99+93=192 cases or 0.4% of all new HIV cases in 2013

That brings the percentage of cases who clearly did not result from contact with gays to 7%, or 93% contracted HIV through contact with gay or bi men.

From the other direction,
30,689 new cases are the result of gay sex
1,270 new cases are due to gays having sex and using injection drugs

That's 31,959 out of 47,165 or 68% of all new HIV cases were completely due to gays infecting gays.

Now there is the 3887+8031=11,918 heterosexual cases resulting from contact with persons with or at high risk for having HIV. Who is at high risk of having HIV? From the above numbers, gays are the highest risk, drug users are at 6.6%. Lets be generous and discount the risk by the non-gay drug users:

93% of 11,918 = 11,084
11,084+31,959 = 43,043 which is 91%.

So contact with gays (gay sex, women having sex with bi men) accounts for 91% or 93% of all new HIV cases in 2013.

Those are the CDC numbers.

So you are wrong!, you have been wrong!, and you will always be wrong!.

 

CDC data doesn't agree with you. It clearly says that the numbers are 81% i am just going by their statistic. so you are saying the cdc is wrong. sorry kid you lost this one.

 

So you are giving us a "basic lesson in math" yet your two equations do not equal. Odd
On top of that, you are using assumptions that are not dictated in the original statistics to come up with fraudulent claims.

I love the anti-gay people - only y'all will take a statistic that is already bad and indicative of a huge problem and try to lie and distort the figure to make it worse (in the process removing all dialogue).

 

Well her premise was a bald faced lie that she was caught it. Removing dialogue is her only chance to save face.

Itisn't a gay disease, which was her claim, and it was proven wrong.

 

The 2 approaches come to a good agreement, one results in 91%, the other 93%. Either way, HIV is spread by contact with gays and bi men.

 

The figures directly dispute each other - indicating you are using falsified data.
HIV is not spread through contact - that is a blatant lie - you are getting more and more desperate.

 

It almost sounds like you are trying to argue that the gay lifestyle is 'healthy'. There is absolutely no scientific studies to back this. Almost every medical study shows some sort of negative repercussions. Not just AIDS, but a whole host of other diseases are spread through gay 'contact'. Most medical studies that I've seen show that being an active 'gay' is more dangerous than smoking.

 

Where did I quantify that the "gay lifestyle" is healthy or unhealthy? Please quote me directly.
I actually agree aids is a huge problem in msm, especially in black msm; I was however pointing out the outright lies that are told to paint homosexuals (mostly homosexual men, lesbians are always excluded) in a bad or worse light.
Promiscuity is always dangerous, unsafe sex is always dangerous and both of these are pushed by men in general - so when you have two men together the risk is amplified. The studies done on the inherent dangers of being "actively gay" (vs an inactive gay I guess, whatever that may be) are namely pointed directly back at the stigma that gay people have faced by bigots trying to jail or kill them.
So in the end - yes, gay people (men) need to make better choices but bigots need to drop off the face of the earth. Homosexuals may hurt themselves but bigots hurt everyone.
Cheers

 

And we are talking monogamous same-sex couples who are married, that isn't the case then of a promiscuous homosexuals and has nothing to do with women who love women now does it?

SSM isn't going away.

 

What is the gay lifestyle? What makes it different than any other lifestyle? Do all gay people live the gay lifestyle? If yes, explain how my lifestyle is gay. If not can it really be called the gay lifestyle?

 

One figure is 91%, the other is 93%. Pretty good agreement.

And as I have repeatedly stated, 93% of people who contracted HIV in 2013 acquired it through contact with gay or bi men. That contact was intimate contact, but that is still "contact".

You lose. You have always lost, unless you can directly refute the CDC data you will always lose.

 

As Ronald Reagan would say;
"There you go again"...with your fuzzy math.

 

Then disprove it. You have the CDC data, why don't you use it? Oh, I know why, because the CDC data shows 93% of people who contracted HIV in 2013 acquired it from contact with gay or bi men. And you don't like that fact. Too bad your feelings are hurt, but hope and hurt feelings don't change the facts.

 

Yes you have stated it numerous times - each time the actual cdc statistics show you are incorrect.
Post something directly from the cdc saying msm is 93%. Don't add assumed percentages or preform mental gymnastics in attempt to correlate other groups that you "feel" belong in that category to arrive at your false flag, post a DIRECT link showing this 93% statistic.

 

Wrong math and extremely bad science.

 

Direct from the cdc: http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/HIVFactSheets/Epidemic/Transmission.htm

 

He now has explained his theory. Merely contact with anyone who is a gay or bisexual man and you will get HIV in his medical opinion.

 

That's already been shown multiple times.

Of all the people who acquired HIV, 63% acquired it through gay sex, 3% from a combination of gay sex and sharing needles with their gay partner, and 25% through heterosexual sex generally with bi men. Read the actual report the chart comes from instead of just putting up a chart you don't understand.

 

What do you think you gain by incessantly posting what you know is 100% false. There is NO mention of "generally bi men." That is just a bunch of hatred-crap you falsely claim.

Why are YOU so terrified of gay men? You're belief that if one touches you you'll get HIV? Is there a reason for your hatred and blame against gays on a personal level?

 

Yeah,it has to do with the power of her religion being toppled.