Tesla recalls nearly all 2 million of its vehicles on US roads

I know of only two in my area. Furthermore there are two types of plug-ins so the one you find might no be the right one.

If you want an electric vehicle, go buy one. I’ll pass. I am so old, I wouldn’t be driving much more anyway. You can live with what you are determined to force on everyone else.

I wish that I was bright enough to think I had right and wisdom to impose my will on everyone. Progressives know they have those qualifications.

 

There are apps for assistance to locate where to charge electric vehicles.

 

Curious - do you by any chance actually own a Tesla?

 

No, but I have friends and family that do.

 

Kind of makes you wonder how the hell people get in accidents on 75 when everyone is going in a straight line in the same direction...

I hate that damn interstate. Have to drive it sometime from punta Gorda to fort Myers but I would rather take 31 with the two lanes and all of the dump trucks

 

There are a fair amount of Teslas on the road here in Houston. A couple of guys at my office drive Teslas. I would definitely have a Plaid with all the bells and whistles on it if money were no object. For if that were the case I would also have something like a 12 car garage and there would definitely be a full humvee in it complete with a snorkel kit. I live in Houston, so hurricanes and all - flooding would just be a small hassle in a properly snorkled humvee, or any one of several Toyota models for which they may be available. Like an FJ.

What would be particularly fun about the Plaid, once I could get the dirt stupid steering wheel replaced with an actually circular steering wheel, would be to blow away, silently, my other work associate's insane muscle cars they've recently obtained. One guy in the same offices with the two other guys with Teslas just scored a slightly used Shelby GT500. Oooof! This thing is a work of freaking art. I'd not take it out of my 12 car garage were I able to even consider being able to buy something like it. Another guy in the same offices just scored a sweet used BMW M5 series, and it's in almost new condition with something like 30k miles on it. The GT was around $100k and the BMW was $44k. I'm not convinced the Tesla Plaid could outperform either of these in all the aspects that make these cars wicked fun, but from a dead stop to about 120 mph, I reckon the Plaid would enjoy a decent lead over both of them.

You mention charging stations availability. It's developing, no doubt about it. And if it can get to the point that better than 90% charge can be obtained in 30 minutes then it seems to me that would be a viable situation. As it is currently, full EVs are an easy choice for urban and semi-urban commuters. These applications don't need any additional infrastructure beyond having a charger installed in the garage. Most EVs have the range required to get to and from work and stop at the grocery or the pub on the way home. Apartment and condo complexes have substantial work to do to support this. I don't see it happening yet though.

So, I'm curious, you seem to be a proponent of EVs, is your car an EV, but not a Tesla? And if not, why not? Long road trips a requirement? Hauling heavy loads?

I have a job that I can be damned productive at without ever leaving my condo. I have a couple of nice Dell curved monitors that are better than the Dells I have at the office and my company has embraced connectivity features that allow me to access most of the real time controllers that run my company's plant, from my Xfinity home wifi connection. I'm not sure I'd allow this if it were my company. Point being that it's a huge benefit to reduce my personal consumption of gasoline working remote. Also I save roughly 90 minutes a day by not commuting. And as we saw from various lockdowns, Covid-19 and 9/11 being the two that come to mind, air quality almost instantaneously improved in many places, Los Angeles perhaps was the most prominent example I noticed of it.

Culturally however, there remains inertia and misplaced impressions among many senior and influential members of our workforce that working remote = slacking. Which brings me back to Mollusk.

This guy seemingly clearly fancies himself to be a captain of industry, and rightfully so. I wish the guy all the success he can muster. Both on his own behalf as well as on behalf of all that could and would benefit from his success. Regarding innovations he is obviously one of, if not currently the most influential person on Earth to bring innovations to fruition. But as in all things, the simple duality of strengths and weaknesses of an individual come into play.

This self-driving software "recall" is possibly an example of where Mollusk's strength in fact has become a weakness. There are several pieces of info that allude to how his ego has led to this "recall".

Here is one, from the Wikipedia article on him

Leadership style

Musk is often described as a micromanager and has called himself a "nano-manager".[244]

That same month, he suspended remote work at SpaceX and Tesla and threatened to fire employees who do not work 40 hours per week in the office.[255]

He has forced employees to adopt the company's own jargon and launched ambitious, risky, and costly projects against his advisors' recommendations, such as removing front-facing radar from Tesla Autopilot.

Musk's leadership has been praised by some, who credit it with the success of Tesla and his other endeavors,[244] and criticized by others, who see him as callous and his managerial decisions as "show[ing] a lack of human understanding."[250][256] The 2021 book Power Play contains anecdotes of Musk berating employees.[257] The Wall Street Journal reported that, after Musk insisted on branding his vehicles as "self-driving", he faced criticism from his engineers for putting customer "lives at risk", with some employees resigning in consequence.[258]

And there is a separate dedicated Wikipedia article on the history of his Autopilot fancies that features this fun little clip on the right side of the page.



Seems a recipe to me for an Ethan Couch style affluenza disaster but without anything other than daddy or mommy buying some idiot teen a car that can drive itself in Mad Max mode - no EtOH required. Brilliant!!

Effing Deuce personality seems to be winning with Mollusk. So much winning.... Guess he's now become the object of Maga fanboy types, seems possibly some of them may have even posted to this effect in this very thread.

 

Elon Musk is kind of a boob, but there's nothing inherently wrong with Tesla. Recalls happen all the time as well. And if this is going to limit or improve hand-free driving, I'm all for it. I'm none too thrilled about sharing the road with robots. It was cool to see in the cartoons when I was a kid, but lets just say my excitement has waned.

 

Everytime your phone updates, do you call it a recall? Seems like deceptive news to me. I get there are a lot of left wing f'wits who hate Musk for political reasons and spin up crap but this is just too obvious.

 

He's got a bit too much power and wealth to be dismissed as easily as you and I have done in this thread, it seems to me.

The reported business of him calling a shot to disable Starlink from Ukraine military operations, well, it really is a wholly brand new world we currently live in where anyone in the US favors a move that favors Russia.

The auto-pilot stuff he apparently has had his mark all over. Like a tomcat spraying in heat. With his personal style perhaps setting it further back than it could have been by now. Checkout the suggested Wikipedia sources in my previous post for more info.

There is no doubt in my mind that an AI equipped with appropriate sensors would be a safer driving mechanism than anything a human could achieve. My new phone proves it can see better than I can, as just one small data point to support my assertion here.

 

https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=ELEC

Well here are the official locations, obviously they don't all operate at 100%, but even gas stations close down from time to time. I wouldn't be surprised we will soon see electric vehicles being able to operate for 12 hrs a day, and then one could recharge while sleeping. At this point, it is really an engineering issue of storing the energy.

Autopilot will slowly phase in. As all the current driver assisted features, e.g., auto collision detection, auto parking, expand into other driver assisted features to the point of a proverbial back seat driver. It will certainly help with the elderly and the infirmed.

 

These green dots - they represent 1 individual charger!?



This is my neighboring high rise, I'd bet it has 6 to 12 chargers installed and likely any resident can get one for themselves if they apply for it.


But this spot, what is going on here? Looks to me they are listing individual charging stations,










They have maybe a dozen Tesla Chargers at the Crimson.

This map seems to be misleading to me.

You do know the battery tech right now is Li-on, yes?

Have you even bothered to check the magnitude of the transformation to Ev that would be required to just cover the folks that could commute from home to work and back without even having to worry about installed charger availability outside of their own garage. How many tons of Li-on batteries would be required?

Apologies for asking again, but why are you personally not driving a Tesla or some other make & model Ev?

 

I'm not giving up on this tech. Dude, you were the guy that informed me a couple of years ago that the state of the art in battery research was true solid-state. My interest in posting this thread here at PF is to highlight how Mollusk has actually set back autonomous driving capabilities by asserting his own egomaniacal bs on top of what is straightforward SAE structured performance metrics. And it fits my agenda pointing out that blustering "strong men" suck as leaders. Give me Andy Grove any day over Elon or Trump.

 

Weird. I did not expect this.

 

Full self driving won't be a thing until AI is highly developed.

 

He hasn't set it back at all, that's simply a leftist partisan take driven by anger of his right wing perspectives. He has propelled us forward more than most have.

And strong men have created the nation and made it what it is.

Limp wristed people just don't make it as leaders however.

 

Indeed. Just look at trump.

 

I had the same thought. Maybe the reported info isn't entirely accurate. " Oops, they fell asleep. Turn off autopilot!"
Lol!
Turning on an annoying loud sound would make more sense?
Or, eliminate feature until improved?

 

oh, I have not changed my view on that, battery tech will improve and when in does EV's will be the better option in many cases

but I still do not like all the digital stuff on either ICE or EV's, it makes them cost more, more to maintain and repair, if one has the money, no issues, but for most that is an added expense we do not need

 

I don't usually lose a major feature with a phone upgrade

 

exactly, and there will be a tipping point, where the growth is exponential when AI starts developing the enhancements to processors and software and even itself

 

As for purchasing one, I will when I retire, about 8 yrs. I am currently budgeting my money for retirement. I already have 2 cars I don't need another one.

 

Yes Sir, I am living on about the same timeline myself. I'd never honestly thought I'd be interested in working until 67. And then I discovered that I've so little drive on my own initiative and hobbies for interests that I might as well embrace the machine and all of its fascinating challenges. We'll see though. I might opt for a one way flight to Patagonia any minute,

 

Well about 10 yrs ago the ex Mrs evil, kind of changed my plans.

 

Rough. I work with a guy in a similar bind. He turns 72 or 73 this Spring. I do not foresee that I'll be capable of his capabilities when I reach that age, if I reach that age.

I really hope we are able to make a step change in battery tech.

I don't see the current tech pulling us out of the weeds.

I don't buy into the CO2 crises and its predicted devastation of life on Earth.

But, I do buy into that there are only about 50 years of proven O&G reserves left.

So, I'm all aboard with sustainable transport and power solutions.

Currently though, we don't even have enough scale to make a difference with urban / suburban commuters.

There are real problems looming come 2070.

 

I have no reason to disbelief scientists. While working in the DoD as a contractor, I met and worked with dozens of PhDs, all were professional and hard working.