The Age of the universe?

That makes sense, as the Bible is a work of philosophy and morals as well as religion.

That is an area that science doesn't particularly address.

I think you shouldn't just totally cut off science from your life, as it does work to solve problems you would like to be solved.

 

I have yet to see an empirical test that would provide consistent results across by multiple investigators.

 

Me, I will stick with science and if I want a good read, Shakespeare over the Bible.

 

I don't reject science. Science is great where it aids or serves our lives. I don't see the evolution of man as a science, but as an imaginary jaunt supposedly to discover our origins. I don't believe that modern man is advanced in truth over the ancients by virtue of advances in modern science or in modern values. I think the values of modern man have become degraded and blinded our judgment. So we exalt ourselves over our first Parents and declare them to be at best, even if real, stone age and ignorant as if we knew better.

I think that's highly disrespectful and ignorant in its own right. I take Adam and Eve to be real people. They taught creation to their offspring because they lived it and knew it to be true. It wasn't a philosophy. They knew God, not about him. Their children carried the story with them around the earth where it became diluted and distorted into a variety of beliefs, which is why creation is at the root of a number of religions worldwide. The creation story is as old as man because that's where man came from.

I see the evolution theory as evidence of mans further separation from God in seeking an actual replacement. That's why I say that if you see it as a science, it will never arrive at our origin or the truth, because its nature and trajectory is to go away from the truth of our having been created by God. At best it substantiates itself but not our origin. So with it we are carried away into unknown paths by what is essentially a lie or a promise to discover our origin.

I see no resolution in it. It may as well be the Hebrews wandering in the desert at Moses heels, yet upon a whim rather than to be free of the Pharoah and bondage by a holy man at Gods direction. The origin of man isn't to be found in evolution. Neither in its embrace is God, salvation, the power over death, or the enlargement of our souls in godliness. It justifies all human behavior and makes no distinction between good and evil. It is to say our good laws are subjective, like a game of plant the flag, where the flag planted is the winner for now, rather than forever. It is shaky ground and the abolition of justice as if to fret at monsters, knowing all things but the truth.

I was born, and God lives. That's not to say that I'm God. But that I know he lives by his having known me, like a cup whose residue testifies of what it held. Or a Wife who delivers up her Husbands fruit and heritage. The theory of evolution of man from animals is a mockery of the worth and heritage of mankind. And so it must be said to also be a mockery of God. Yet not so much its adherents as the concept itself. Anyone can be fooled.

 

Again, it does not matter what YOU "see" it as. You are not a biologist, you are not an evolutionary biologist, hell you aren't even a scientist in general.

You dismissing it as "not science" would be the same as an auto mechanic dismissing your chest pains as indigestion. He has neither the training nor experience to make that statement.

You have no education in the matter, you have no experience in the matter. You have continually shown a complete lack of knowledge on how the scientific method works.

 

Wow! I had thought those that thought as you had gone extinct, but I was wrong.
There are comedians that sometimes are able to get at the heart of the absurdity of human kind and George Carlin had that gift…


Yep, I stand in awe.

 

You are correct in that I don't understand how the scientific method works. What I do understand is what it says. It says that I and my family come from apes. I find that insulting. And the deeper into it you go you find ignorance because it doesn't know the actual origin. So it is ignorant at heart and insulting on its face. It promises an origin which is a lie because it doesn't produce an origin. It is a trek into nothingness. Then it says that if you can't invalidate it, it must be true. What is true to me is that it is self canceling, ignorant, self serving, deceptive, and without any redeeming value. In fact it is counter to understanding. So I take it for what it is. Then I reject it like every other alternative to the truth I find in life. I don't find it at all clever, but rather a waste of time. Are there fossils and bones in the earth that predate mankind? Yes. But so what? That doesn't make it our biological history. They are leftovers from a recycled planet when God resurfaced and repurposed the earth for the creation of Adam and Eve. Do you think the earth was created from nothing? The Bible says that when God created the earth, it was void and without form. That is a description of a dead planet. Then he set about making it a suitable planet for new life. He then made all life on earth from the earth. This approach satisfies new earth and old earth findings. While recycled earth is my theory, it's based on scientific findings, and mans historical writings. So I didn't just make it up. But whether I'm right or wrong, I still reject evolution of man

 

No, it does not.

If you don't understand what the Theory of Evolution says then you have no standing to tell anyone that it is wrong.

 

According to the Smithsonian Museum, evolution says we come from apes.

 

Show me that.

If that is true (That the Smithsonian Museum says we come from apes) then I will be the first to contact them to tell them they are wrong.

If you can't show me that, then you are wrong. You have taken someone elses word for it or you have misconstrued what it really says.

Never mind, I looked it up myself

From the Smithsonian website

Humans and monkeys are both primates. But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor. All apes and monkeys share a more distant relative, which lived about 25 million years ago.

Did humans evolve in a straight line, one species after another?
Human evolution, like evolution in other species, did not proceed in a straight line. Instead, a diversity of species diverged from common ancestors, like branches on a bush. Our species, Homo sapiens, is the only survivor. But there were many times in the past when several early human species lived at the same time.

What do scientists mean when they call evolution a theory?
Like gravity and plate tectonics, evolution is a scientific theory. In science, a theory is the most logical explanation for how a natural phenomenon works. It is well tested and supported by abundant evidence. It means quite the opposite from our informal use of the word theory, which implies an untested opinion or guess. As a scientific theory, evolution enables scientists to make predictions and drives investigations that lead to new kinds of observable evidence.

 

evolutionary theory does not say humans evolved from apes. That notion was popularized by Darwin detractors back in the 1800’s that didn’t understand the book the Origin of the Species. It still It still persists among those that refuse to try to understand. Man didn’t evolve from apes, but shared a common ancestry, which can be seen in common DNA sequences shared in humans and apes. In fact we also share ancestry with cetaceans and fish. Feel insulted if you wish; your feelings don’t change the facts.
If you don’t understand the scientific method, why not learn about it, it’s nothing that difficult to understand.

 

So like I said, evolution says we come from an ape. I find that insulting. And when you backtrack on that evolutionary path, it is empty. So its promise of an origin is a myth. It doesn't know dookey. Like I said, the theory is insulting on its face, and ignorant at heart or in depth. How they pawn that off as science, I don't know. How does one repent of being a fatherless monkey? Or are we just supposed to wear it because they say it and have letters after their names. It is classic psychological abuse. First they degrade your worth. Then you are tee' ed up for whatever they tell you. It is a cult.

 

ape ANCESTOR

Not Apes as we know them today.

 

Yes it does. Why do its adherents continue to deny from one side of their mouth that which they say from the other. What I understand is that it's nonsense and insulting. Calling it science doesn't change its nature or validate the claim. It is fantasy at best, having no foothold in our origin or our destiny. The bones and fossils are real. But the ties to mankind are speculation and contrived for the want of a whole garment or perhaps a niche. As for me, there is no room for the theory of evolution in my life. I have life, my Wife, the earth, my subsistence, and most importantly God, in whom is my life and trust. But if you insist on believing that you evolved from animals, who am I to stand in the way of your choice in a master.

 

Non human bones of an apelike creature, millions of years old. Dude, that doesn't lighten the impact of the insult. LOL

 

You could say that apes are more pleasant creatures than we are. More peaceful, less destructive. We kill not just for food but for land and power and gold, and sometimes for fun. If apes ruled the world it would be a better place. Maybe a little humility on pour part would be a good thing.

 

Evolution says we didn't come from apes. Humans and apes came from some more ancient forebear. We are a member of the family of mammals, with mammals evolving from forebears that lived a very long time ago.

Your comment about "choice in a master" is out of place, as evolution says nothing about a "master".

A major majority of Catholics and mainline Protestants believe humans evolved.

 

How is being connected with every living thing an insult?
Psychological abuse? That’s an original new one for me. Sorry I go with the facts, not your feelings. Sorry yours are hurt. So, anyone disagreeing with you is heaping psychological abuse on you? Then, why are you playing here? You want your say, a constitutional right, but anyone responding is inflicting psychological abuse? Do you hear snickering in the background?

 

Cute. Sharing the earth with every living thing doesn't mean man evolved from apes though. That's some weird stretchy logic to suggest it does. No, evolution doesn't hurt my feelings. I find the concept spiritually and intellectually insulting. I'm fortunately free from and immune to the nonsensical nature of it. But the young and unsuspecting are vulnerable prime targets for its abusive nature because they don't even realize they are being roped in as it is being taught as a given. That seems to be the way of much of the world anymore. This forum is an abstract for sharing views. That's why I'm here, hopefully to remind people of things they may have forgotten or not considered. And because I'm fed up with lies parading as truth, sending the people and nations to ruination. The theory of the evolution of man from animals is a major tool in this process because it undermines the values around which civilization revolves, absolves people of accountability, and cheats peoples souls. So to call it a science is from my perspective, macabre.

 

Ah the noble beast! What a crock... apes tear each other from limb to limb and fight over territory, which is an analog to our fights over territory and wealth. Plenty of animals kill for pleasure... ever seen a cat toy with a rodent?

 

According to the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History, "We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago." This is what they think. It isn't what is proven or provable. But if you want to vest the welfare of your eternal soul in this theory, then may it give you peace. As for me, when I was a teenager without any knowledge of or inclination to a God or religion, I knew up front that evolution was nonsense when I first heard of it. There is a spirit to life, to which evolution is completely out of step. Since then, I have come to know that the God of creation is real. Evolution is contrary to the repetitive character of nature and to everything in life. That's because it is a man made idea, not a real thing. One would have to ignore reality and the entire history of mankind to buy into the idea of the evolution of man. And that would be insane.

 

It sounds like you have no understanding of DNA; you admitted you know little to nothing of science, so I am guessing you don’t know the roughly 3 billion human base pairs have been mapped. Well enough that they can be compared with that of other life. It’s why we know our DNA is better than a 99% matchmatch to the DNA of chimps, giving a pretty astounding level of confidence of our common ancestry. Sorry if you feel offended by that, but that fact is even accepted by the CC Vaticant. Ignore it if you want, no one can force you from your beliefs and it matters not in the scheme of things.
If you have a hard timebelieving DNA evidence, then do you know time runs differently on earth than in Earth’sorbit? Mind blowing, but if we didn't know about that and compensate for it GPS would be very inaccurate.…einstein’s Theories predicted and explain this phenomena with amazing accuracy.

 

Those that understand science don’ believe in absolute truths, but, in using empirical evidence to increase our confidence in understanding the reality about us. A religious scientist would say science is our way of exploring God’s amazing creation.like to look at the beauty of nature and the Cosmos? Why not see the beauty beyond the surface to the amazing beauty beyond what you can see, touch, taste and feel. The reality of nature and the Cosmos is infinitely interesting.

 

Yes - common ancestor.

Evolution can't possibly be a threat to religion or society. Science provides information concerning how our physical universe works - not how any religion or government works or should work. Science doesn't establish moral principles or denigrate them.

Mankind has used evolution to improve most food product we eat - plant or animal. Mankind recognizes evolution throughout medicine.

Humans have been found to have evolved. It's pretty wild to suggest that humans are somehow outside the entire world of other animals.

 

Hmmm when I sample some museums like the Smithsonian I am often amazed by the size of clothing worn by folks even 100 years ago, or even suits of armor dated to the 14-500’s that clearly show our ancestors were quite a bit smaller than we are these days. Humans are getting taller/fatter as our food has improved. So, yes, we are changing, though some may say we are becoming more apelike.Lol