The Age of the universe?

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How old is the universe?

  1. Roughly thirteen point seven two billion years or so...

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  2. Less than ten thousand years in another way....

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  3. All of the above answers.....

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  4. Other?????

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  5. The ice on Antarctica and Greenland has rings like the rings of a tree and they date the world !!

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  1. Diablo

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    I find it strange that people can understand that science underpins every aspect of their life, and indeed may well have saved their life too, but discard any aspect which interferes with their irrational beliefs.
     
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    But... can you understand why officials at the Smithsonian.......

    would destroy skeletons of giants.......

    that seemed to verify the Book of Genesis.......

    and the teachings of Moses?

    Did museums ever destroy skeletons of giants?

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    Did museums ever deliberately destroy bones of giant humans?
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      Probably... yes...
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    2. No... no scientist would ever do that
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    3. Maybe.... there was money and positions of influence on the line.
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    Rumour has it that Nikola Tesla came up with technology... that could give ordinary people free energy..... .which the investors who worked with him absolutely hated the idea of........ so much of the Tesla technology was hidden.... .until the world economy would be ready for his tech...... not to mention the technology invented by Stanley Meyer who invented a dune buggy that got one hundred miles per gallon ..... on tap water!
     
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    So this happened a century ago? Wow, you're up to date...
    So that site is creationoutreach, a highly respectable scientific site...not!
     
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    Yes.. the destruction of skeletons of giants happened a century ago........

    but also much more recently than that.

    Actual fossils that seem to go against the Darwinian Evolutionary teachings can be crushed and suppressed......

    almost as effectively as religious groups throughout history have murdered... and even tortured.... people who disagreed publicly with dogma and doctrine.

    In a way......

    beliefs even in science.... can evolve to resemble "religion" in many ways...... partly due to money being at stake......

    A decent case can be presented that at least some of the dinosaur skeletons could have been the result of pre-flood genetic engineering... as reported in the ancient Book of Jasher... as well as in the Book of Enoch......

    https://sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/4.htm


    14 And Methuselah called his name Noah, saying, The earth was in his days at rest and free from corruption, and Lamech his father called his name Menachem, saying, This one shall comfort us in our works and miserable toil in the earth, which God had cursed.



    15 And the child grew up and was weaned, and he went in the ways of his father Methuselah, perfect and upright with God.



    16 And all the sons of men departed from the ways of the Lord in those days as they multiplied upon the face of the earth with sons and daughters, and they taught one another their evil practices and they continued sinning against the Lord.



    17 And every man made unto himself a god, and they robbed and plundered every man his neighbor as well as his relative, and they corrupted the earth, and the earth was filled with violence.



    18 And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.



    19 And the Lord said, I will blot out man that I created from the face of the earth, yea from man to the birds of the air, together with cattle and beasts that are in the field for I repent that I made them.



    20 And all men who walked in the ways of the Lord, died in those days, before the Lord brought the evil upon man which he had declared, for this was from the Lord, that they should not see the evil which the Lord spoke of concerning the sons of men.



    21 And Noah found grace in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord chose him and his children to raise up seed from them upon the face of the whole earth.
     
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    I get that. But it doesn't know why we are here, who we are, where we came from or where we are going. It is merely the observation of the world around us. It doesn't understand spirit, love, hope, faith, inspiration, intuition, repentance, forgiveness, charity, conscience, good and evil, marriage, fidelity, covenants, God, or anything higher than the physical. So it doesn't really understand mankind, life, or creation at all. It is a mechanical, heartless, and soulless tool.
     
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    You are assuming there ARE answers to those questions.

    And it DOES understand many of those things...psychiatry, neuro psychiatry, neuro biology...all of them explain some of those topics very well.

    It's a "soulless" tool because we have no evidence of a soul.

    The great 19th century mathematician LaPlace presented his works about the solar system to Napoleon, Napoleon allegedly asked where God was in his works, to which Laplace replied, "I have no need of that hypothesis"

    It means that the explanations that have been provided by science...the explanations that have led to the wonders of our modern world.

    Not a single one of them, NONE of them in the entire history of mankind, has needed a god to complete the explanation.
     
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    it is as probable as anything science has come up with that we are living in a simulation created by the Supreme Being.
     
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    To science, a person is no different than a rock or a dragonfly, in that everything is a data set. I reject that cold notion as there is no humanity or spirit in it. It is macabre.
     
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    Of course there is a difference

    What you are assuming, with no evidence whatsoever, is that the difference is "spiritual" or "magical" or due to a "deity"
     
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    What's magical is that life just took off on its own and evolved or unfolded according to whatever foothold it could find, and then viola, mankind. So where does such a creature get silly ideas about God and creation.
     
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    The same place we have always gotten notions about God.

    Fear of the unknown.

    Where does lightning come from? At first we didn't know, so we made up Gods to explain it.

    Now we know that the activity in the atmosphere builds up electrons (negative electrical charges) and finally it builds up to overcome the resistance of the air to complete a circuit to the positively charged ground and we get lightning.

    Fire? No idea, Gods did it
    Now we understand the chemical process

    Everything that we used to explain by "gods" and is now explained by science with no need to invoke a god.
     
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    FWIW, when I was young, I didn't understand lightning. But I never made up a God story to go with it. I stayed inside because lightning and thunder seemed dangerous. I don't recall the Hebrews worshipping Gods of the elements either. I'm pretty sure they knew how to make fire as well. Nowadays many people worship popularity, science, and cars, and follow the almighty dollar. People have always been odd that way.
     
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    The first Hebrews appeared about 1,200 BCE

    The first evidence of humans using fire came about 1.7 to 2.0 million years ago.

    So, yes. Hebrews probably did have fire as it was probably used widely by the time Hebrews appeared.
     

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