The Age of the universe?

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How old is the universe?

  1. Roughly thirteen point seven two billion years or so...

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  2. Less than ten thousand years in another way....

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  3. All of the above answers.....

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  4. Other?????

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  5. The ice on Antarctica and Greenland has rings like the rings of a tree and they date the world !!

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  1. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    I find it pretty interesting that pigoarts are being successfully transplanted into humans saving lives. How could that work? Because pigs are animals and humans aren't it shouldn't be attempted, we should just let people die? Hmmm… I personally know someone living because of a transplant of a pig heart valve. Is that too offensive to discuss? Think prayer would do better?
     
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    I believe in the creation of the immortal first Parents of mankind, Adam and Eve, by the living God.. I believe that their offspring, all of mankind, including us, have been born since their fall which brought death to mankind. I believe that they, we, and all of creation are made from the earth. I do not believe that fossils and bones found in the earth which predate creation, are relative to us. Neither do I believe that any similarities between mankind and those former elements found in the earth which predate us, can annul our creation and tie us to the scientific theory of evolution, anymore than one person can eat to another's nourishment. Despite the abundance of our similarities, we are not one entity.
     
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    I believe....I believe....I believe....

    What you BELIEVE is meaningless unless you can offer evidence for it.

    The evidence for Evolution is overwhelming. You choose to ignore it because you "believe" in something else.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't matter what you believe.
    Ok, I don’t care what you believe. Nothing productive to be gained with you. But, I stand in awe.Lol
     
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    So when did that occur, and was it more or less than 5000 years ago. And who are the first parents of womankind, and were they immortal too, and were they made from dirt too?
    So why did the old bloke in the sky create "the immortal first Parents of mankind, Adam and Eve" given that our aborigines arrived here over 50,000 years before Adam's grandmother was a girl?

    But while you do not believe that fossils and bones found in the earth which predate creation, are relative to you and your family, they are relative to me and my family since we are not related to the "immortal first Parents of mankind, Adam and Eve" or to the old bloke named Yahweh God.
     
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    Is that because we share a common ancestor with apes?
     
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    If your are correct, then at best, when you die you will have lived for nothing. But if you are wrong, then when you die, you will have lived for nothing, and you will be aware of it for a long time.
     
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    I don't believe you can find support for your claim that it is a mortal sin to accept Genesis as allegorical.

    Also, our lives on Earth aren't worthless.

    In Matthew 25, Jesus points out that how we live our lives on Earth is important. In the parable of the sheep and the goats, Jesus describes how even Christians can end up in hell along with Satan - based on the way they live their lives.
     
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    Do you believe someone should be able to tell you how to live?
     
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    Creation is the natural and logical forerunner and origin of the life and existence of mankind. Otherwise there is no origin and we would not be. Similarly, conception in the womb is the beginning of our lives or we would not be.

    When and at what age has an evolutionist ever evolved into being. They know they were born human from humans, but insist they evolved from an animal. Therefore they may lay claim to the rights of humanity and take sanctuary in irresponsibility, like hounds in the lilies or hogs in the turnip patch.

    It is the same with males who insist they are females. And with females who insist they are males, claiming privileges not theirs upon their thrones. It is all cosplay and a masquerade. They gather their excuses and justifications and swing them about like an ankylosaurus tail, full of purpose.

    Can reason not be gathered and God stirred from his slumber. Where is the divine in this circus of absurdity. Wherein rests the honesty and grace? If neither the people nor the politicians honor the constitution, where is peace? And though God may calm the sea, yet the instability remains in the priestly power of the choices of men and the adversaries lies.

    If chaos is a given, and the depths combine to swallow mens souls, then the call is to patience and faith in God and heaven in which men can't meddle or move from its place. So let it be.
     
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    So what sex are XY people who are born with Swyer syndrome? Are they males or females?
    And what sex are XX people who are SRY positive and stand up to urinate? Are they male or female?
    Where and how long has he been sleeping?
     
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    The creation of Adam and Eve is logical and sensible because it presents an actual origin or beginning of mankind. But mostly because it and they are human, which is what mankind is. So it is a handshake of sorts and a homecoming in spirit. Evolution isn't human and doesn't establish an origin or beginning. It's proponents don't know where it began or where it ends. So it isn't a solution for an origin but a dissolution. And of course there is no evidence of anything evolving into a human being more than the theory, in an attempt to find a home for bones and fossils found in the earth, as well as a home for those who promote the theory. That would make its proponents the missing link. If you suspended the reality of their having been born human, then yes they would be the bridge. But they are not. So evolution versus creation is like an idea versus reality. But why would anyone trade reality for nothing. Evolutionists and Atheists love to pretend to be scientific and practical. But there is nothing scientific or practical about evolution or Atheism. It's just academic lunacy.
     
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    So when did that occur, and was it more or less than 5000 years ago.
    And when was the origin of womankind?
     
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    I do believe that near death experiencer Christian Andreason does give us a great explanation for what is going on on this third rock.......

    which should give us serious clues as how to live.... when all of that is taken into consideration?!

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html
    Near death experiencer Christian Andreason.... chapter one....
    But for these past five years I have been listening to near death experiencer Kevin Zadai....... because it is like his words are so fiery that much of the garbage gets burned out of my head as I listen to him more and more and more.......

    www.kevinzadai.com/

    http://kevinzadai.com/videos/

     
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    Science is unreliable. But I'm guessing about eight thousand years ago. God created man, a male and a female, Adam and Eve. They were immortal. But they ate the wrong food and brought about death to all living things. Somehow the death to immortality augmented or amended them with the power of procreation to spite death and fill the earth with people. So had they not become mortal, we would not be here to experience life. Over time, rules were given and prophets sent for direction. Later the Son of God came to overcome death and sin and to bring about the salvation of mankind. Otherwise there would be no purpose to our lives. And we would all live and die for nothing. We live to gain bodies and experience to prepare us for eternity as the offspring of God, where and from whom our spirits originated. It's all part of Gods plan for his offspring. So the fall of Adam and Eve brought about the miracle of mankind, like the pieces of immortality, or a shattered vessel, each a life of its own. The greatness of it all isn't the greatness of ourselves, but the greatness of God, to whom man should be inclined, not in servility but in gratitude for his servility to us all of our lives. He has suffered and gone below all things to bring about our retrieval. He put away his glory, his throne, his pride, his dignity, and even his very life for us. IF you plant a fruit tree, and spend years pruning, fertilizing, watering, mulching and caring for the tree. Shouldn't the tree bear up fruit to you for all your labor and sacrifice? This is "fruit meet for repentance."
     
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    Science is unreliable? But, we are supposed to trust your word of God’s truth from your interpretation of a book comprised of writings from multiple sources through the filter of time and countless puny human minds? Hmmm…. I will trust in the scientific method first.
     
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    Science is unreliable? It seems to work very well. Computers, phones, cars, planes, trains, fridges; and everything else. Maybr you forgout how to turn them on!
     
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    Just imaginative words in a book.
     
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    Unreliable on the topic of the origin of mankind. But toasters and stuff, yeah.
     
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    OK, so some of it works, at least we've got that far.
    I have hypertension, or high blood pressure. I take a tablet a day and I don't have a heart attack or a stroke. That works too. Do you have any health issues, yourself?
     
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    I respect that. From my perspective, science errs in taking as a baseline that that which is found in the earth is part of the history of mankind and vice versa. Or perhaps it isn't the error of science but of man who interprets the data. Essentially, it is my theory that what we are dealing with are two separate planets or worlds combined into one. An old dead planet which was recycled, resurfaced, and repurposed for the creation of Adam and Eve and their offspring, mankind. Even the Bible says that when God made the earth, it was void and without form. So that's what he began with. Sounds like it could be an old dead planet that had run its course. At any rate, evolutionists have too much vested in what they have created and imagined to change course or start over. So they are locked in, so to speak.
     
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    Yes I do. And yes prescriptions work. But I will not swallow the theory of the evolution of man as I have no need for it or ailment in that regard. I'm glad you found something that works for your heart. Life is fragile.
     
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    So it is. And I'm happy that your medication works.
     
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    Quite graphic! Evolution requires large numbers of generations, as has been mentioned.
    Sexual morphology and psychology get guided by a number of factors.

    These factors usually line up, but that is certainly not the case for everyone.
    Let's remember that the lesson of Adam is that god did not make us the judges of others. The tree of knowledge of good and evil belongs to god. Humans take from the tree of life.
     
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    Science is VERY reliable.

    Part of the reliability is the ability to admit when you are wrong when new evidence indicates that.

    Science is the most reliable system we have for understanding the universe around us.
     
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