The Bolsheviks do not receive nearly the same condemnation as Nazis

I just can't agree with you that liberals in the West are willing to overlook the wrongs that brutal Communist regimes committed. I think that conclusion is taken completely out of context and is insulting.

But, if we are playing by that logic, then the conservatives of the West were willing to overlook the brutal dictatorships of the client states we supported during the Cold War. Therefore everyone is guilty of supporting the mass murder of so many innocent people.

 

Read this book. It agrees with your thesis but aknowleges that the left was highly duped. http://dupes-book.com/

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They do from me. But, I think it has to with indentification with their ideology and likemindedness. There is something inexplicably acceptably evil about Marxism the defies understanding.

 

I am discussing facts.The Intellectual Left of the West has been brimful of hypocrisy in its constant demands on Western Democracies eg Vietnam, Chile etc., but shamefully silent during the Killing Fields and the millions murdered and tortured in the name of various brutal Left Wing regimes.

It's about time they came out of their dark and dim closets and admitted their shamefull hypocrisy!

 

Neh, NeverLeft,

These Jewist-Supremacy freaks are full of (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

The same could be said about conservatives and the brutal dictators they supported over the years.

 

Now hold on. What 'brutal dictators' are those?

You're not going to claim that whatever 'brutal dictator' Conservatives 'supported' had a logical alternative as a leader, are you?

Because if you are, you're going to have to defend the notion that liberals have historically lauded, which is not overthrowing 'brutal dictators'.

So be specific. About whom are you speaking?

 

Interesting research this guy has done. I watched the videos and I found myself to be quite taken by what he was saying. I can't necessarily denounce his book because I haven't read it obviously. But his research seems to be more focused on Obama than liberalism in America over the last 100 years. The only thing that bothered me is that he seemed to present the book as an historical piece, rather than a political commentary.

 

That man doved in to the Soviet Archives before they closed them off again and peiced that book togather peice by peice. It is an origional historical work in its own right unexplored by others. It is a monster of a book. He also finally proved definativly that the founder of the ACLU was a Communist and Soviet sympathiser via ACLU stationary in the Soviet Archives.

 

Pinochet, Contras, Saddam, Mao to name a few.

 

And I'm asking for the alternatives, along with your reasons why "Conservatives" supported these people.

And add to that: explain how no liberals supported these people either.

 

The main reason I would say is because no where near as many people died under the soviet union than under the Nazi's.

 

I'm simply arguing against the claim that liberalism in the West was completely in support of Communism or that they at the very least believed Communism was not inherently evil. If people here are going by that logic, then I can also generalize about conservatism and argue that they felt the same way about the brutal fascist dictators we propped up and supported over the years.

 

I know what you're arguing. So far, those who have argued that liberalism has supported Communism (a claim with which I agree) have provided support for the argument.

You have not provided support for yours, even though I've now asked you for it 3 different times.

 

You asked for specific names and I gave them to you earlier in this thread. But I'll go ahead and go more in depth with each example.

Reagan supported the Contras in the 80's and even had staff in his administration working behind Congress's backs to continue supporting them. The Contras of course smuggled drugs and only cared about money. Even the CIA, who worked closely with them, hated these guys because they didn't even care about fighting against communism.

We supported Saddam early on and provided him with material support in his war against Iran. (We also did this with Iran, but only because we believed there were certain elements within their government that were sympathetic to our interests and would overthrow the Islamic government after the first Ayatollah died. Of course the Iranian government tricked us and our contacts on the inside had no intention of helping us or becoming our friends). I don't think I need to explain why Saddam was a bad dude.

The CIA helped Pinochet overthrow Allende's government and we also gave his military junta material support. Pinochet of course was known for suppressing political opposition and was responsible for death squads who raped any killed anyone who opposed his government.

Mao Zedong (The worst offender among brutal dictators of all time) established an alliance with our country in ways that we never offered to the Soviets. This of course was simply a means of pissing off the Russians. President Nixon of course was the one who opened these concession to the Chinese. Mao Zedong is likely responsible for the deaths of up to 70 million people through murder, starvation, and inciting violence among the population.

 

The two reasons the Bolsheviks/Stalinists didn't get nearly the same condemnation as the Nazis is that the evidence of their crimes against humanity never came to light in the same way, in that Western eyewitnesses, photographs, video and numerous survivors were not available (the out of sight = out of mind principle). The other reason the Communists got off lightly was that the Western intelligentsia flirted with the far-left for decades and it was a no-no in such circles to say nasty things about Communist regimes (even, or especially, if they were true).

 

The New York Times played a big roll in covering up the autrocities of the USSR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty

 

There is no moral equivalence to the millions murdered, and starved to death by the brutal Left wing regimes in the post WW11 period. It's typical of the Western academic intelligentsia to try and justify their silence whilst Stalin, Mao, the Killing Fields of Cambodia and Eastern Europe regimes were committing unspeakable brutalities against their own people,by referral to the brutal Right wing regimes of mainly South American dictators.

There is no moral equivalence no matter how much they try and justify their reluctance to speak out against these brutal Left wing regimes aka the brutal suppression of the uprisings in Hungary and Checkoslavakia. They are mere hypocritres, pretending to live in their academic ivory towers, and will forever be so condemned for their refusal to speak out on behalf of those so brutalised, whilst ever so ready and willing to condemn every infraction by the West.

They will forever be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed by history for their sheer and utter hypocrisy!

 

I went to college here in Connecticut. None of my history or political science professors ever denied that Communism committed a great deal of evil over the years. I think you're republican overlords are feeding you lies.

 

It's not a case of denial. But did they ever condemn those brutal post WW11 Left wing regimes that killed and tortured millions, with anywhere near the same outspokenness as their condemnations of the [comparatively/B] minor brutalities of the right wing post WW11 regimes?

We had the same deafening academic silence in Australia against the brutal post WW11 Left wing regimes.

 

Mao a right wing dictataor? You must be kidding.

You had better go back to school and have a chat with your history tutors.They evidently need a 20th century history lesson. Urgently!

 

I never argued that Mao was a right wing dictator. I was arguing that conservatives sided with brutal dictators in general. Mao was a brutal dictator.

 

Yes.

I don't know much about Australia or what your academic environment is like. But I can tell you that my state of Connecticut is about as liberal as they get. I went to a state school here and none of my professors ever watered down or were silent about the atrocities committed by communism.