The Book of Revelation Unlocked

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Makes sense:

    Gen. 1:6 And (Father Nature, Reality), “God,” said, Let there be a firmament, (seven layers of atmosphere,... the Firmament above:
    1) Tropo-sphere
    2) Strato-sphere
    3) meso-sphere
    4) Thermo-sphere
    5) Iono-sphere
    6) Magneto-sphere
    7) Exo-sphere)
    ... in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the (evaporated) waters from the (condensed) waters.

    Gen. 1:7 And (Father Nature, Reality), “God,” made the firmament (of atmosphere), and divided the (condensed) waters,... (into the oceans, seas, and rivers,... the Firmament below:
    1) oceans
    2) inland seas
    3) lakes
    4) rivers
    5) underground water
    6) glaciers
    7) atmospheric water vapor)...

    ... which were under the firmament from the waters, (transitory things: [mayim: Hebrew]), which were above the firmament: and it was so.


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    Gen. 1:8 And God, (Father Nature, Reality), called the firmament Heaven. And the (Early Imbrian) evening (of the Hadean Era) and the (Eoarchean) morning (of the Archean Era) were the second "day:" (yowm, in the Hebrew, means an unspecified duration).


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    Then have at it. I don't know of anyone on this forum that is attempting to stop you from enjoying your "fantasies". Some of us might get frustrated at the constant wailing you do about your fantasies because we have heard probably just about all of your reasoning behind each of your fantasies and we have learned thus far that your evidence and arguments are insufficient to compel any of us to accept your assertions as true.
     
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    Care to add your own personal comments regarding this linked information or does this need to be reported for a TOS violation... linking to a outside source without personal comment indicating the relevance to the topic of discussion? If you decide to add your own personal comments, try explaining in complete detail the information made available on those links.

     
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    That helps to eliminate the idea the Jesus was ruling the world. Also Mohammad created that
    "religion of peace" that was and still is a very violent religion between 54 and 1054 AD.
     
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    No it didn't. The world was not in total peace
    1. Jesus wasn't on earth during that time. History would be full of evidence. People
    would have written about it.
    2. Weapons over the entire world have never been turned into plow shares.
    3. Satan wasn't bound. Mohammad would not have been able to invent his "religion
    of peace" in the 7th century.
    4. God's promises weren't carried throughout the entire world.
    5. Armageddon hasn't occurred. Fact.
    6. The New Jerusalem hasn't been built. Because it hasn't been.
    7. We still have the old earth.
    8. When did those who were beheaded come back to life?
    9. When did the first resurrection take place?

    None of this has happened. Period. If it had then it would be in every history text
    book ever published.

    Once again, the 144,000 aren't going to be Catholic Monks. They are going to be Jews from the
    tribes of Israel Rev 7:4.

    The rest of your post has no evidence, either. It's totally conjecture and not fact based.
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    They weren't Catholic monks. Jews are Jews. Period.

    Do you believe the Jews that died in the Holocaust were Christian?
     
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    Yes.. but Muhammed did protect the Christians of Najran from the Jewish kings after the burnings...circa 500 AD.
     
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    There are not 7 layers of Atmosphere.

    Troposphere 0-16KM
    Stratosphere 16-50KM
    Mesosphere 50-80KM
    Thermosphere 80-640KM

    The Ionosphere and the Exosphere make up the Thermosphere. The Magnetosphere is to do with Earths Magnetism. The Ozone layer is part of the Stratosphere. The Ionosphere is a mix of positively and negatively charged ions, negative electrons and neutral gas is called a plasma, which is the most common state of the universe.

    There is only one 'waters' on earth. Water evaporates from the ocean and falls on the ground. It either runs into the oceans again and evaporates, or evaporates from the lakes and comes down again. Even glaciers are part of the same cycle.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    So you're saying there was no one single Universal Christian Church over all the Roman World when the myths and false gods in them disappeared until the Renaissance arrived?

    Really,...?

    And Daniel explained that Mohammed would appear in Arabia, outside of the Roman World, as the eleventh horn:


    Daniel 7: 7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, (Rome), dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth (of short iron swords): it devoured (all the Western World), and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it, (i.e.; the ten toes of the European Nations comprising it): and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns (of political powers to come:
    1. Undivided Empire: Diocletian: [to 305 AD],
    2. Western Roman Empire: Romulus Augustus: [to 476 AD],
    3. Eastern Christian Roman, Byzantine Empire: [1453 AD]
    4. Charlemagne, [800 - 1000 AD]
    5. Holy Roman Empire, [1200 AD-1492 AD]
    6. Italy: Renaissance: [16th century]
    7. Spain, [17th century]
    8. France, [18th-19th Century]
    9. Britain, [19th-20th century]
    10. Nazi Germany, [20th century])

    Dan 7:8 I considered the (ten) horns, and, behold, there came up, (in 616AD), among them (an eleventh), another little horn, (Islam), before whom there were, (had been), three of the first (10) horns, (Undivided Empire: Diocletian: [305AD]; Western Roman Empire: [to 476 AD]; and Eastern Roman: Byzantine Empire, [to 1453 AD]), and plucked up by the roots (Eastern Roman Orthodox Christian Byzantine Empire at the hands of this Ottoman Empire): and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, (beginning with the great seer, the Prophet Mohammed), and a mouth, (The Koran), speaking great things, (speaking them, because Mohammed could not write).
     
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    Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

    The Christians, both the Jewish and the converted Gentiles were the real Jews of Judaism.
     
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    So you say,...
    The Torah loves seven.
    The names I listed are each separate spheres.
    This is regardless of what some author might otherwise like to explain things.
     
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    ?
    "Waters" is plural.
     
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    Do you believe one Reality exists for us all?
     
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    Mohammed did not exist until @600AD.
    What are you trying to say here???
     
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    I believe that each person has his/her own perspective of what is called 'reality', therefore, my 'reality' is likely much different than yours or that of others.
     
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    Not according to NASA. The only difference to my list is they give the exosphere as a seperate zone
     
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    Yes, your perspective s different from mine.

    But my question was whether you believe one Reality actually exists, and is the same for us, or not.
    Your idea of Reality may be correct, or my idea may be the right one.

    But even if neither of us are correct,... do you believe there is one reality which does exist, in spite of our thinking about it?

    - - - Updated - - -

    But even you agree exact sphere does exist.
    Right?
     
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    ??????
     
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    In other words,... all these spheres do exist don't they?

    1) Tropo-sphere
    2) Strato-sphere
    3) meso-sphere
    4) Thermo-sphere
    5) Iono-sphere
    6) Magneto-sphere
    7) Exo-sphere

    There is no sphere listed here that you could not relate too.
    Correct?
     
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    Already answered the first question. As for the second question... the answer is 'No'. If there is no observer, then there is no 'reality'. Therefore, in order for 'reality' to exist, each person must 'realize' their own 'reality'. Notice that highlighted word. If that highlighted word is broken into its component parts, one would see "real" with the suffix "-ize" attached thereto. "-ize" means: "-ize
    or -isesuff.1. a. To cause to be or to become: dramatize.
    b. To cause to conform to or resemble: Hellenize."

    So, how are you going to 'cause to be' or to "become" 'real' (with regard to "something" and that something is 'reality')? In other words

    Notice also that the term 'reality' with the attached suffix "-ity" would mean that which has a condition of being "real". Now do you truly 'realize' anything about 'reality' if in order for you to realize it you have to make it 'real'?

    "re·al·ize
    v. re·al·ized, re·al·iz·ing, re·al·iz·es
    v.tr.1. To comprehend completely or correctly.

    2. To bring into reality; make real: He finally realized his lifelong ambition to learn how to play the violin.

    3. To make realistic: a film that realizes court life of the 1600s."
     
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    Not as atmospheres. If you include the Iono-sphere and magnetoshphere which have little to do with atmosphere you must include the hetero-sphere and the homo-sphere, which do.

    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/science/atmosphere-layers2.html

    Note. NASA include the Iono-sphere - but not as an atmosphere, or a layer on its own.
    The ionosphere is an abundant layer of electrons and ionized atoms and molecules that stretches from about 48 kilometers (30 miles) above the surface to the edge of space at about 965 km (600 mi), overlapping into the mesosphere and thermosphere. This dynamic region grows and shrinks based on solar conditions and divides further into the sub-regions: D, E and F; based on what wavelength of solar radiation is absorbed. The ionosphere is a critical link in the chain of Sun-Earth interactions. This region is what makes radio communications possible.


    I'm not getting involved in your making things up to fit your theories. Believe what you want. Like Incorp. would say 'you haven't said anything to compel my mind to accept your theory'.
     
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    Yeah, yeah, yeah,...
    But each of these are Spheres around the Globe.

    And each sphere is a recognizable entity in itself.
    That remains true, no matter how you try to avoid the number seven by designating groups of them together for that purpose.

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    ... so basically, you recognize your own "personal view of a Reality."
    You do not accept that one Reality exists, even if your view is wrong?
     
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    Who is going to show PROOF that my view is wrong? Proof = evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.
     
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    Then add the hetero-sphere, the homo-sphere, the Ozone layer which is also a sphere around the earth. Now we have 10.

    You said that god made 7 layers of atmosphere. We've proved that 2 of those layers have nothing to do with atmosphere. Are you saying that God made the Iono-sphere for men to bounce radio signals round the earth 4 billion years later?

    Sorry. It's simply making things fit for your theory.
     
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