The border bill... excuses and more excuses...

Mexico could enforce their own border so only Mexicans try to get into the US.

 

The current system allows for processing 5000-6000 migrants per day. 5000 are not automatically let in under the proposed bill. They are processed and the majority of folks will be denied entry, especially single males. The bill does not automatically let in 5000, Jesus! Do some actual factual research WBK, going off half cocked is gonna cost you man !

 

Well he apparently can't be wrong or make a mistake so he's lying.

 

I understand PERFECTLY why the right rejects the immigration bill. Several republicans have said it publicly: because it would work! It's not even a secret.

And I do mean the leadership. Why some on the right-wing BASE rejects it... each one will have their motives. You might have your own reasons, which might be rational (I don't know them). But this thread is about the desperate excuses, not real arguments, that we see on Fox and the wingnut media, as well as in this forum.

 

If WE, the richest nation in the world, can't do that. What makes you think that an underdeveloped nation can?

 

In other words, you are conceding that he was either just wrong or lying. In either case, you are conceding that what he said was not true.

 

You are welcome to your opinion, not your facts.
2/3 of Americans say Biden is not worthy to be a president and is doing a horrible job.
To claim that Trump et al are blocking Biden is both hypocritical and inane.

Remember, not one dime, not now, not ever?
In my opinion Biden quit working for the country and started taking care of his business sometime before the Obama administration.
Trump is the only President in recent history that lost money as President, the only president that donated his salary, the only president that donated profits from foreign business to the government and the only president to be impeached twice on bogus political skullduggery. And the only president hounded by legal actions that are, at best, sketchy.

Biden created the crisis at the border. He's the only president in modern history that has so completely failed to secure the border. I am convinced that this was intentional on his part and it is his number one job; open borders.
The bill for his malfeasance will come due in the future and of course democrats will try to blame republicans because one attribute of democrats is they never, ever accept responsibility for their mistakes.

 

Because there was no compromise there.

 

That is a binary answer. You are claiming that there are only two possible outcomes. Only if a country is rich, can they enforce their border. In addition, I believe Mexico would object to you calling them an underdeveloped nation.

Mexico's southern border is only about a quarter the length of our southern border.

 

There's another problem with the Democrats claiming that Trump wants the border open so he'll have something to run on.
Yes, they really do think we're that stupid.

• Trump could already, today, point to the failed open borders policies and the 6 MILLION ILLEGAL MIGRANTS already in the country, assaulting our cops and giving America the finger.
• Trump has a crappy economy to point to.
• Trump has a debt to point to.
• Trump has showers with tweeny daughters to point to, if he wants to sink that low.

Trump doesn't need the "pay Ukraine so the big guy gets paid" bill to fail so he has talking points.
Biden already gave them to him.

 

Yes he thinks he's wrong, or just saying that to win votes.

 

You're not reading. I said EVEN a rich country is rich, they can't enforce it.

I see you still struggle with the concept of "binary". I'm glad you're happy you found a new word to play with, but you have no need to use it every time you argue, even though it doesn't fit in the discussion.

 

But you are admitting that what he said is not true.

 

Again, more of your binary thinking. You are saying just because we are not enforcing the border, that we are not capable of enforcing the border.

You have problems living by the standards you create for everyone else. That is not my problem.

 

Nope.

 

We aren't! Because Republicans oppose the bill that would do that!

That has NOTHING to do with binary thinking. Republicans either obstruct it, or they don't. The DECISION is binary because the buttons they press say "Yes" or "No". It either passes, or it doesn't.

Now... please stop abusing the word. Throwing it everywhere only makes it more obvious that you don't understand what it means.

 

5000 wasn't a quota, it was a red-line maximum that risks resources getting overwhelmed. It would prompt the closing of the border. This represents a tightening of the border. It's raking back executive authority that was used to exclude immigrants during covid. You're spinning it.

Whoever is feeding you this propaganda thinks you're stupid...

 

Then what did you mean by "Yes he thinks he's wrong, or just saying that to win votes."?

 

How do you explain Biden saying "the border is secure" that was after it was secure under Trump and now he is saying the border is no longer secure and it was Biden and the democrats in charge?

The conversation had nothing to do with your statement "Republicans either obstruct it, or they don't. The DECISION is binary because the buttons they press say "Yes" or "No". It either passes, or it doesn't.["

The conversation was whether Mexico had the ability to control the border and you deny they have the capability because they are not rich enough. That is binary thinking if you believe that only a rich country can control their own border.

 

You didn't make this bill sound any better. You know that. Right?...lol

 

That's easy: he's lying!

It has never been secure. Not under Biden, not under Trump. Not under any President since George Washington. Well... I guess that kinda depends on how you define "secure". But I wouldn't consider it that in any case.

Anyway.... different topic.

 

Exactly. However, it was more secure under Trump. Many times more illegals crossed under Biden than Trump.

More of your binary thinking.
" Well... I guess that kinda depends on how you define" obstruct.

 

You don't think a maximum is better than no maximum? So then you don't actually want to reduce immigration? lol.. This would have kicked in during the recent "crisis" in immigration, by the way. I don't think it's a crisis, but for those who claim it is, rejecting this bill is odd.

I get that nativists don't think it goes far enough. But if it truly were a crisis, something now is better than nothing now... unless of course it's about politics and not giving Biden a win.

 

Why would any thinking American think we need more money and allow the invasion to persist when Biden could end it all with the stroke of a pen?
The Appeaser in Chief increased this mess 400%. Your argument reminds me that O.J. didn't do it!

 

Then why don't they legislate it directly instead of adding it on to non-related legislation?

Nonsense.

IN MEXICO - some of that great treatment you raved about above.

Fine, we have procedures in place to deal with that[/quote]

Horse manure. Are you blind to the lawlessness and desperation, increased crime being dropped on "sanctuary cities" by an uncontrolled, unregulated flow of millions of illegals?

. and as usual you demonstrate your primary, and problem ONLY concern on this topic is POLITICS.